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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls
Wow. When we use the term base, we're not talking about bone stock with no options. Base = lowest model/trim available. Even if you were confused by the terminology, the C63S is NOT the true competitor to the M3/M4, it's pretty obvious and there is no discussion to be had. Is the W204 C63 AMG Black Series a competitor to the base E9X M3?
FYI. Both the M3/M4 come with the carbon fibre roof as standard, the sunroof/moonroof is optional.
Who says it's unfair that they use the M3 or the M4? The only people who complain are the people who actually think the sedan is significantly different then the M4. They're pretty much the exact same car with different amount of doors with 10 pounds separating them, hardly anything to cry about.
You think the HP increase is nothing significant? Try to put it into context. The M3/M4 has only 425HP/406TQ. The base C63 has 469HP/479TQ. The C63S has 503HP/516TQ. In what world is a difference of 78HP negligible? Let's add weight:
M3/M4: 3540lbs/425HP = 8.3lbs/HP
C63 AMG: 3615lbs/469HP = 7.7lbs/HP
C63S AMG: 3650/503HP = 7.2lbs/HP
If you want to compare a M3/M4 to a C63S just to see how it stacks up, cool but in no way are they direct competitors especially when you have a base C63 there that already stacks up well with the M3/M4.
I can't be the only one who feels/thinks this way. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You all realize the base c63 has never been compared to the m3 right? Here some info the c63s vagrant has always been around it was referred to as the p30 and later p31 package and guess what, in a naturally aspirated motor it made more power than a base c63. And no one bat an eye at that. Oh well why is that because they had no idea the difference. Even now when a m3 owner pulls up to a c63 on the high way they have no clue there are 3 different versions of the coupe and the sedan and then the black series. So why are you crying now. Benz has always been the muscle car of the group while m diversion has always been lighter and more nimble. Holy crap
Base c63 w204 didn't come with a LSD it was a option to added, It didn't come with floatin rotors it was an option, it didn't come with forged internals that wa also an option to add and they fell under the 507 package or the P31 package which when ever a test drive wa done it was using the p30/p31 package car.
2015 m3 weight of 3,516 lb= 8.1lbs/hp
2015 C63S weight 3786lb= 7.5lbs/hp
Correct numbers taken from BMW and Benz not google. The c63 has a slight power advantge but as I've already stated this has been true since the c55 the benz has alway made more power than the m division in every model. Your more wrapped up in power numbers and not even the electrical diff that comes with the C63S lol...
Further more None of you complained when they compared the e92m to the C63 Sedan when the E90 sedan has been out the either time...and they is a good bit of weight difference in my E90 sunroof dct and the E92 carbon roof dct when it comes to weight and handling.