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      05-23-2018, 03:20 PM   #68
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Wait, Scion was successful?

But along that line, was any Toyota sports car, really? I know the Mk4 has a brief moment, but it was never that far removed from a (properly functioning) FD RX7 and the C5 came out and quickly eclipsed it at a lower price point.

I had a few friends with comically fast single turbo Mk4's and they lacked more than a little refinement. Maybe not as handicapped as a huge single turbo FD, but not exactly well rounded.

Nothing else seems like it was ever a standout, Celica, MR2 and others were all a bit of also runs compared to other choices. Mazda won LeMans and Honda cleaned up in F1 for ages, but Toyota and both racing and sports cars don't really strike me as a core strength. Reliable, boring and predictable, yes.

I'll be happy to give them credit for delivering something impressive here, but I suspect it will be outdated, heavy and lackluster long before it's wildly tunable, sporty and successful.
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