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Originally Posted by Blackraven
Nope.
There is a reason why the V12 Petrol engine (BMW N74) has more torque than any of the diesel engines in the F01/F02 lineup.
And for full-fledged M-cars, diesel is not yet there. Sure for M Performance models it could work (M550d, X5 M50d, etc.) but for full-M cars, not so much...
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in BMW's case...yes but you see their V12 lacks torque (for a bi turbo 6.0 engine) compared to for example a 15 year old w220 S600 which is a 5,5l that boosts 800Nm of torque , and the 65 version with 1000Nm of torque which mind you to this day bmw has not reached those numbers , at least not on paper. Mind you that bmw lost the so called hp war in eraly 2000's when Merc launched new sl600 , 65amg , but even before they had SL73AMG (two decades ago in 1995) that punched 532hp at that time those were simply mindblowing numbers in a hypercar territory. for example thats like today having a bmw M10 with a stock 1450hp.
Have in mind though that the 50d engine is only 10Nm short of V12's 750Nm , basically there is no difference in power delivery except for top speed when removed limiter , which you rarely ever ever do , except if you live near the autobahn , which most of people here do not. It'a almost unfair to compare these two but look how much power this 3.0tri turbo punches , a lot!
There is also a serious piece of work in audi , it's called Q7 V12 TDi , this beast makes 1000Nm of torque and has 500hp and it's a big big 5,9l IMO this engine makes more sense than a W12 6.3 in A8 , it's much more smoother and drives like a freight train , simply put it this way-more torque = more relaxed and more fun at overtaking...But thats audi , and they can obviously do and make whatever they want.
Im bored right now and pissed off because bmw can do better but doesn't , they should be at the very top competing with Panamera's and Quattroporte's and Rapide's not audi and Mb who btw have way more distinguished models imho than bmw past present future.
2 series at> make sense in a certain market for a certain group of people but hey so does b class for quite some time now , why does it take them so much years to figure out these things? Why not have a proper S coupe rival? why not have a proper super hyper uber duber whatever amg sls slr competitor? Why not have a proper full size 7 seater , many people do need these things with a premium badge! Why not make an M7 or 775i or whatever already? Is the new 5 series going to be just an L version of the XL version they call a 7 series? I wonder...why don't they go radical and make a car like the VFL and call it a 7 series , like they did with the i8 - who looks like a concept car from a year 2071 , unbelievable its just shows you that they can do things when they want.