Bought a used 2014 750ix with 26K miles - having a lot of issues

[luv4greenleaves]

First BMW ever I picked up is a 2014 750ix with 26K miles.. still under factory warranty and been in the shop for door handle, oxygen sensor, AC compressor, both high and low pressure fuel pumps, and injector#5...

Because I'm not very confident about the reliability and ever service advisor tells me don't own this 7 series without one I have to spend additional couple of thousands of dollars to get Extended Warranty as original ends in October.

Coming from Camrys and Maxima's I NEVER had one single issue in over 15 yrs.. sure I might of got a lemon but everyone I know who has or had a bimmer lives to eventually regret it..

With all of this how is this brand so popular? The cars are fun but having to be towed on an expressway in Chicago is not fun (believe me)....

This maybe my first and last BMW.. I don't get it....

[714_2er]

Sounds like you weren’t ready for the impact that owning a bmw can have on your wallet.
Maybe dump the seven series while you can and get a newer CPO 3 series?

I will say, I’ve heard many more horror stories about 7 series in general, from both service advisors and previous owners.

[SakhirM4]

I have owned BMWs since 1977 and have had 18 of them. I have had my M4 for 4 years now and has only had oil changes. I have had my Z3 for almost 18 years and have had to replace the top and the A/C compressor. All the other ones I had, except for one were equally as reliable.

Sorry you have had the problems that you have had, but I wouldn't judge BMW by your 7-series. You might want to check this out with regards to reliability:

https://www.businessinsider.com/most...-6-chevrolet-6

[aozer]

The 7 series is the worst bmw you can own from a reliability standpoint

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by 714_2er

Sounds like you weren’t ready for the impact that owning a bmw can have on your wallet.
Maybe dump the seven series while you can and get a newer CPO 3 series?

I will say, I’ve heard many more horror stories about 7 series in general, from both service advisors and previous owners.

I assumed a $100K car wouldn't break down every other month... 3 series?? I'd rather go get a Camry and save $20K

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I have owned BMWs since 1977 and have had 18 of them. I have had my M4 for 4 years now and has only had oil changes. I have had my Z3 for almost 18 years and have had to replace the top and the A/C compressor. All the other ones I had, except for one were equally as reliable.

Sorry you have had the problems that you have had, but I wouldn't judge BMW by your 7-series. You might want to check this out with regards to reliability:

https://www.businessinsider.com/most...-6-chevrolet-6

Not judging just from my 7 series but everyone I've talked to in my business circle shares this view... I'm confused how can this be...

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by aozer

The 7 series is the worst bmw you can own from a reliability standpoint

Actually I heard it was M5, M4, and then the 7.. but I believe they all share same engine so perhaps that's why they share the same blame ..

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by luv4greenleaves

Actually I heard it was M5, M4, and then the 7.. but I believe they all share same engine so perhaps that's why they share the same blame ..

M5, M4 and 7-series do not save the same engine

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by aozer

The 7 series is the worst bmw you can own from a reliability standpoint

This has long been my understanding too. A car service I use had a F01 760Li, and it was endlessly at BMW for issues with the engine and the original 6-speed auto. Complete disaster.

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by MJBO

This has long been my understanding too.

A car service I use had a F01 760Li, and it was endlessly at BMW for issues with the engine and the original 6-speed auto. Complete disaster.

Yes, this is exactly what I've been told by everyone.. however I've had friends who had same issues with 5,7, and M series

[MJBO]

My 2004 E46 M3 was perfectly reliable when I owned it 2013-2015, and aside from a window regulator I didn't have any issues in the 2 years (2010-2012) I owned my 2005 Z4 either.

My 2016 125i was new and under warranty, but I didn't have any issues in the 2 years I had that either.

Will be interesting to see how my E90 M3 DCT fares.

[xQx]

Originally Posted by aozer

The 7 series is the worst bmw you can own from a reliability standpoint

*cough* N54 *cough*

[xQx]

Originally Posted by luv4greenleaves

Coming from Camrys and Maxima's I NEVER had one single issue in over 15 yrs.. sure I might of got a lemon but everyone I know who has or had a bimmer lives to eventually regret it..

With all of this how is this brand so popular? The cars are fun but having to be towed on an expressway in Chicago is not fun (believe me)....

This maybe my first and last BMW.. I don't get it....

But you have a 750i?!

I mean, yes, it's a V8, not a V12, and it's not a ///M car... but were you expecting owning a flagship BMW to be cheap?!

No, you didn't get a lemon. You got a German car. There's a reason why Japanese cars have a reputation for being reliable; and there's a reason why Lexus did so well at stealing market share from Mercedes and BMW.

It's because, compared to basically any performance car made in Germany, a Toyota, Subaru or Nissan (except the GTR) is extremely reliable, extremely cheap and ... well, extremely boring.

These cars break. When they do, stuff that you used to pay $300 to repair will cost you $3,000.

If you are cross-shopping your BMW with a Toyota, Nissan or Subaru you're best off cutting your losses, selling the car and buying a Camry.

My $30,000 1 series has cost more than $5k per annum to keep on the road. It's renowned as one of the least reliable BMW's ever built.

It's also (IMHO) one of the most fun.

Why is this brand so popular? ... well, as you said: "The cars are fun".

But if you're looking for Reliable or Cheap - I would strongly recommend you head down to your nearest Toyota dealer; because BMW ownership really doesn't get any better than what you've experienced thus far.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by xQx

But you have a 750i?!

I mean, yes, it's a V8, not a V12, and it's not a ///M car... but were you expecting owning a flagship BMW to be cheap?!

No, you didn't get a lemon. You got a German car. There's a reason why Japanese cars have a reputation for being reliable; and there's a reason why Lexus did so well at stealing market share from Mercedes and BMW.

It's because, compared to basically any performance car made in Germany, a Toyota, Subaru or Nissan (except the GTR) is extremely reliable, extremely cheap and ... well, extremely boring.

These cars break. When they do, stuff that you used to pay $300 to repair will cost you $3,000.

If you are cross-shopping your BMW with a Toyota, Nissan or Subaru you're best off cutting your losses, selling the car and buying a Camry.

My $30,000 1 series has cost more than $5k per annum to keep on the road. It's renowned as one of the least reliable BMW's ever built.

It's also (IMHO) one of the most fun.

Why is this brand so popular? ... well, as you said: "The cars are fun".

But if you're looking for Reliable or Cheap - I would strongly recommend you head down to your nearest Toyota dealer; because BMW ownership really doesn't get any better than what you've experienced thus far.

As I said in my post above, that has not been my BMW experience at all. Also, if you will read through the threads in the M3/M4 forum, you will see that the M3/M4 (2014-present) have been rock solid and extremely reliable.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=100

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by xQx

But you have a 750i?!

I mean, yes, it's a V8, not a V12, and it's not a ///M car... but were you expecting owning a flagship BMW to be cheap?!

No, you didn't get a lemon. You got a German car. There's a reason why Japanese cars have a reputation for being reliable; and there's a reason why Lexus did so well at stealing market share from Mercedes and BMW.

It's because, compared to basically any performance car made in Germany, a Toyota, Subaru or Nissan (except the GTR) is extremely reliable, extremely cheap and ... well, extremely boring.

These cars break. When they do, stuff that you used to pay $300 to repair will cost you $3,000.

If you are cross-shopping your BMW with a Toyota, Nissan or Subaru you're best off cutting your losses, selling the car and buying a Camry.

My $30,000 1 series has cost more than $5k per annum to keep on the road. It's renowned as one of the least reliable BMW's ever built.

It's also (IMHO) one of the most fun.

Why is this brand so popular? ... well, as you said: "The cars are fun".

But if you're looking for Reliable or Cheap - I would strongly recommend you head down to your nearest Toyota dealer; because BMW ownership really doesn't get any better than what you've experienced thus far.

So let me understand correctly, a German car that costs 3-4x more than a "boring" car is expected to break down and cost $3K each time... And this is why I created the post... Why is this acceptable? It should be the other way around.. you get what you pay for except if you drive a very expensive German car- it's the opposite..

I'm not bashing BMW, I'm wondering how it's became acceptable to have crap for reliability??

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by luv4greenleaves

So let me understand correctly, a German car that costs 3-4x more than a "boring" car is expected to break down and cost $3K each time... And this is why I created the post... Why is this acceptable? It should be the other way around.. you get what you pay for except if you drive a very expensive German car- it's the opposite..

I'm not bashing BMW, I'm wondering how it's became acceptable to have crap for reliability??

It's not acceptable and BMW does not have crap for reliability. Please see below:

[Blackscreen67]

Originally Posted by luv4greenleaves

So let me understand correctly, a German car that costs 3-4x more than a "boring" car is expected to break down and cost $3K each time... And this is why I created the post... Why is this acceptable? It should be the other way around.. you get what you pay for except if you drive a very expensive German car- it's the opposite..

I'm not bashing BMW, I'm wondering how it's became acceptable to have crap for reliability??

Think of it this way.

The older cars of many brands were built to last.

European companies essentially build their vehicles to last entry into service for the original lease period which is 3yrs on average. This allows the dealer to essentially sell the same car 2x and take a loss on the books for a depreciative value aspect.

The lease makes you better money approach, and the concept of the traditional excessively starched suit tool having to have the latest and so called greatest has taken away from focus on longevity.

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by Blackscreen67

Think of it this way.

The older cars of many brands were built to last.

European companies essentially build their vehicles to last entry into service for the original lease period which is 3yrs on average. This allows the dealer to essentially sell the same car 2x and take a loss on the books for a depreciative value aspect.

The lease makes you better money approach, and the concept of the traditional excessively starched suit tool having to have the latest and so called greatest has taken away from focus on longevity.

Yes, you make perfect sense. These cars are bulit for the first lease owner and that it. Who care about the second, third, or on.

The business model is for the 1st lease owner so their car only needs to make it 3 years. I've learned a very valuable lesson from my first BMW.

When ever I can get out of my 2014 750ix with the least amount of loss I plan to only lease the new 7 series going forward... This way I can beat the hell out of it and make it someone else's.problem..

For now I'm stuck with this car for a few years so I'll take it in the shorts and buy extended warranty..

[stevenvillatoro]

Originally Posted by luv4greenleaves

Not judging just from my 7 series but everyone I've talked to in my business circle shares this view... I'm confused how can this be...

I asked this question of a good friend of mine who has had an independent BMW repair shop for decades. He explained that the 7 Series usually gets the latest/greatest tech before other BMW models, BUT that the new tech is often buggy. Once it filters down to the lower-series cars, it's been sorted out and made much more reliable. No wonder the 2 Series is the best of the bunch?

[Questofthetune]

Originally Posted by luv4greenleaves

So let me understand correctly, a German car that costs 3-4x more than a "boring" car is expected to break down and cost $3K each time... And this is why I created the post... Why is this acceptable? It should be the other way around.. you get what you pay for except if you drive a very expensive German car- it's the opposite..

I'm not bashing BMW, I'm wondering how it's became acceptable to have crap for reliability??

The 2series is pretty bulletproof aside from chargepipes. My buddies Lexus R 200t whatever it is has been in dealer waaaay more than my 2014 235

[xQx]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

It's not acceptable and BMW does not have crap for reliability. Please see below:

Attachment 1875490

I stand corrected.

Still, I expect some models are better than others; and a substantial portion of that BMW group would be boring, under-powered 3 series cars ... I wouldn't be buying a BMW V8, V12 or N54 if I were budget conscious our valued reliability over driving pleasure.

[luv4greenleaves]

Originally Posted by stevenvillatoro

I asked this question of a good friend of mine who has had an independent BMW repair shop for decades. He explained that the 7 Series usually gets the latest/greatest tech before other BMW models, BUT that the new tech is often buggy. Once it filters down to the lower-series cars, it's been sorted out and made much more reliable. No wonder the 2 Series is the best of the bunch?

That make sense however the stuff that keeps breaking on these cars is not electrical..it's a engine related.. BMW V8 engine is a complete mess. Not my words, BMW service advisors.. I've asked several.