GT350R Road & Track's Performance Car of the Year.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by BoostedRide

If I had all the free time, I might look. However, I never said it had to be new. I let others take that hit.

By that logic every car is overpriced. You can't compare a new car to used cars and say it's not worth the money. Although I bet you would have a tough time finding a stock used car that could keep up on a track for cheaper than the GT350R. I don't even think an older GTR (one you could find for <$70k) could keep up.

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by fcman

By that logic every car is overpriced. You can't compare a new car to used cars and say it's not worth the money. Although I bet you would have a tough time finding a stock used car that could keep up on a track for cheaper than the GT350R. I don't even think an older GTR (one you could find for <$70k) could keep up.

You can get a ton of car for 50k used.

[drewnel22]

Originally Posted by BoostedRide

If I had all the free time, I might look. However, I never said it had to be new. I let others take that hit.

Well Ford isn't designing new cars to compete with used cars so that's a bad argument. But the fact is there isn't another new car with a warranty that competes with the GT350R around a track. For the price, the driving dynamics and performance are unbeatable hence why it won.

[lve2xlr8]

Great victory for the GT350R. I am surprised that the torque curve isn't a bit flatter

[fcman]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

You can get a ton of car for 50k used.

But can you get one that laps a track faster than the GT350R. Again a non-modified used car. I don't see it happening.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by BoostedRide

Even $48k for a Mustang is no bueno for me. I love them (Owned 5 so far), but much better cars available for this kind of $ IMO.

Name 3 new cars that are much better at the track, street, 8250 red line, for the same GT-350R price.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

I do realize that this track ready beast of a car's purpose is much more than straight line speed but I feel compelled to bring it up....

12.3 @ 117.9 are underwhelming numbers IMO. Granted, the R is ~150 lbs heavier than a 6MT M3/4. I just assumed a car making over 500 HP and wearing PS Cup 2 rubber would break into to the 11's @ around 120 mph.

What the hell do I know?

I agree.
These numbers are really disappointing when the power is considered. I think the culprit may be the gear ratios.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Name 3 new cars that are much better at the track, street, 8250 red line, for the same GT-350R price.

You'll be waiting a long time for that answer

[drewnel22]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I agree.
These numbers are really disappointing when the power is considered. I think the culprit may be the gear ratios.

I think we should wait and see how the other instrumented tests play out. Motor Trend is known for not being that quick.

[oolas3]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Name 3 new cars that are much better at the track, street, 8250 red line, for the same GT-350R price.

So now it's a great street car too based on 1 track review. It may be a one trick pony like the z28 because it certainly isn't that fast for the hp.

[aloksatoor]

I seriously doubt it will sell for the msrp, and plug in a bit more $$ for dealer market adjust, and you are in used 997 turbo territory, which might be a bit better with longer lasting street rubber albeit higher service costs. Certainly faster than the 0-60 posted by the pony car.

The chassis I am not impressed with but good to see push the that v8 to close to 100hp per liter and a crazy redline. Might be a great alternative to all the other ls1 swaps people do if ford sells it as a crate engine.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by BoostedRide

Even $48k for a Mustang is no bueno for me. I love them (Owned 5 so far), but much better cars available for this kind of $ IMO.

With the rate of change in the automotive industry, its kind of hard to base current performance, reliability based on previous personal experiences. Someone comparing a C5 z06 to yours would clearly be completely out of their mind. I would say that the same can be assumed for the newest mustang. Especially one with innovations never before used in a mustang (IRS, FPC, MRC...)

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

So now it's a great street car too based on 1 track review. It may be a one trick pony like the z28 because it certainly isn't that fast for the hp.

You forgot the / in Z/28.

[FogCityM3]

Weight to power is 7.0 for the GT350R vs an effective 7.45 for the M4 (assuming it produces 480 bhp). The right apples to apples comparison would be MT vs MT. Seems like in this situation would be faster than the M4, but not by much. The M4's bhp hits peak earlier and stays that way, so to a certain extent in a straight line, it punches above its weight . On the track completely different story, as others mentioned, the times compared to the Merc GTS and Cayman GT4 are staggering! Will be much easier to be fast in compared to the M4 for your average amateur given N/A setup where throttle modulation and control at the limits will be easier to manage.

[hellrotm]

LOL at someone suggesting a used 911 Turbo.

[burnrbr]

Originally Posted by aloksatoor

I seriously doubt it will sell for the msrp, and plug in a bit more $$ for dealer market adjust, and you are in used 997 turbo territory, which might be a bit better with longer lasting street rubber albeit higher service costs. Certainly faster than the 0-60 posted by the pony car.

The chassis I am not impressed with but good to see push the that v8 to close to 100hp per liter and a crazy redline. Might be a great alternative to all the other ls1 swaps people do if ford sells it as a crate engine.

Modern Ford V8s are too large to be swapped into most of the cars that a LS fits. The DOHC heads take up a lot of space. This is why you don't see coyote engines in a 65 Mustang or fox body. Chevy refers to the power vs physical size as power density.

[burnrbr]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

LOL at someone suggesting a used 911 Turbo.

Agreed. The maintenance costs are not anywhere close to the same especially given the 911 won't have a warranty. Also, the Ring time for the 350R crushes any used 911 that could be purchased for the price of a 350R. Some people seem to have a disdain for Mustangs and are struggling to rationalize their position against the 350R.

[drewnel22]

Originally Posted by burnrbr

Agreed. The maintenance costs are not anywhere close to the same especially given the 911 won't have a warranty. Also, the Ring time for the 350R crushes any used 911 that could be purchased for the price of a 350R. Some people seem to have a disdain for Mustangs and are struggling to rationalize their position against the 350R.

There is no ring time for the GT350R. I don't think Ford has released any performance numbers at all besides HP and TQ.

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by drewnel22

Well Ford isn't designing new cars to compete with used cars so that's a bad argument. But the fact is there isn't another new car with a warranty that competes with the GT350R around a track. For the price, the driving dynamics and performance are unbeatable hence why it won.

No, it's not a bad argument. It's my OPINION. I would not spend the $ on this car. Not enough car for the $. I am not a pro road racer. We can agree to disagree...

[burnrbr]

Originally Posted by drewnel22

There is no ring time for the GT350R. I don't think Ford has released any performance numbers at all besides HP and TQ.

It may not be the official Ford time, but the 350R has run the ring in 7:32:19. It's in pretty interesting company considering:

2010 Porsche 911 Turbo S - 7:32:00
2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 7:33:00

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/26/f...p-time-report/
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

[drewnel22]

Originally Posted by burnrbr

It may not be the official Ford time, but the 350R has run the ring in 7:32:19. It's in pretty interesting company considering:

2010 Porsche 911 Turbo S - 7:32:00
2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 7:33:00

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/26/f...p-time-report/
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

Back in January a site called Horsepower Kings (HPK) started that rumor and then other places took that and ran with it. Unfortunately there are no sources to back this up. Until there are its just going to be a rumor and nothing more.

From the EVO article:

by lapping the Nuburgring in a reported 7min 32.19sec in its GT350R Mustang.

No video evidence of the laptime has been released as of yet. We’ll update here as soon as it has.

Here is the link to the clickbait site HPK
http://horsepowerkings.com/report-20...rburgring-lap/

[fcman]

Originally Posted by BoostedRide

No, it's not a bad argument. It's my OPINION. I would not spend the $ on this car. Not enough car for the $. I am not a pro road racer. We can agree to disagree...

It is a bad argument though, you say it's not enough car for the money so post something which is a faster track car from the factory for the same money or less.