First official new 7 Series details: CFRP, touch display, gestures, remote parking

[matowi]

Originally Posted by bmwfanatic87

Touchscreen? Really?? I hope they still have the idrive controller. I will never be touching the screen. Hate fingerprints on the screen. You would constantly have to clean it.

Same here. And keep it out of next generation 5er, please

[cs4444]

Originally Posted by E90M3JETS

Well said. 300 pounds in this vehicle is nothing. Also beyond the self parking feature (not sure I would like that or how many times one would use it to be honest) the hand gesture and the other stuff is useless IMHO. Moreover the car looks like the chubby ugly sister of the current 5 series. Sad...

That "irrelevant" 300lbs will make it considerably lighter than any of its german rivals, and one of the lightest cars in its segment....it's all about perspective mr negative.

IMO I'm excited for this car and what it represents. Its the first of the G series cars which means it's a preview for what we can expect to see in all future BMWs. What it shows is we can expect a considerable weight reduction, lower center of gravity, and a reduction in unsprung mass...these will all increase performance/ driving dynamics and efficiency. Also the only resemblance to a 5 series I see is the badge, it's clearly going to be an evolution of the current 7 on the exterior.

[cgm1978]

The i8 like key fob looks nice, as well as the digital displays.

[Gonven]

Nice resume about the new BMW 7 Series

[JRobUSC]

Originally Posted by misterbeemer

Umm, dude! What are you smoking? Or what drugs are you on? Or are you one of those utter BMW fanboys? BMW is playing catch up. The new S class is almost 300 lbs lighter than the previous S class without CFRP, though it would be interesting to see the weight comparison between the new 7 and the S. The S can park itself, drive itself, has magic body control and what not. It also is already available as a S63 AMG and S65 AMG, which BMW most likely will not be able to compete with.

How about we start with a weight comparison of the current cars? The existing 7-Series starts at 4344lbs. The lightest S-class weighs 4678. So the 7-Series, for all the "it's a fat pig" rhetoric that's been spewed ad nauseam, already weighs over 300lbs less than the S-class. Now shave 300lbs off the 7-Series (450lbs without new content previously unavailable added back in), and you have a vehicle that weighs about 600lbs less than a comparable S-class. That's pretty significant. As for whether BMW will create an M7 to compete with the AMG's, I wish they would too, but if we can get a 600hp+ Alpina B7 and an even more lightweight 500hp+ M770 (or whatever BMW calls the M Performance model), I think we'll be doing ok.

[YungDro]

Originally Posted by misterbeemer

Not a Merc fan. Never owned one. We have a bunch of BMWs in our family, one of them being a 760Li. I'm just not excited about this car. Nothing ground breaking in terms of design.

Why judge it so early? the car isnt even fully revelead yet..

[fndrsn]

Originally Posted by matowi

Same here. And keep it out of next generation 5er, please

You do realize that you don't have to use it right? The iDrive knob isn't going anywhere, they're just giving consumers an extra option should (s)he prefer it

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The previous model had 4wheel steering too. It was called IAS.

IAS was not 4 wheel steering.

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by Brady1984

300 pounds. Yes that is the equivalent of one (big) friend but they have been holding out the carrot of huge weight savings using CFRP for a long time. Looks like on the top of the line BMW that cost is still a limiting factor and saving weight from the heaviest line is still tough. This is not an achievement in engineering that anyone is running around the room giving high 5s about. 300 pounds on that pig. Come on; grandpa needs a lighter 7 series than that.

And if you think about even 130kg isnt that much to talk about audis new A4 drops 100kg but it had around 1500 or 1600 to start with so in percentage, with no cf its even more impressive. And the q7 dropped 300kg! Why bother with cf when if they took an aproach like mazda's new mx5 gram per gram. That would be more efficient than the massive investment in cf. its nothing but bmw marketing bs at its best. First it dropped 200kg (post from scott in another thread) today its 130kg and i bet by the time it rolls of the line its probably 10 or 15 kg heavier than previous gen. I never weighted my previous x3 against my 1st gen x3. They were similar in spec yet the f25 was "45 kg lighter" on paper yet I am sure it was 30 - 40kg heavier. But hey it works. I just ordered my i3 eheh

[///S65]

Originally Posted by X3paul

And if you think about even 130kg isnt that much to talk about audis new A4 drops 100kg but it had around 1500 or 1600 to start with so in percentage, with no cf its even more impressive. And the q7 dropped 300kg! Why bother with cf when if they took an aproach like mazda's new mx5 gram per gram. That would be more efficient than the massive investment in cf. its nothing but bmw marketing bs at its best. First it dropped 200kg (post from scott in another thread) today its 130kg and i bet by the time it rolls of the line its probably 10 or 15 kg heavier than previous gen. I never weighted my previous x3 against my 1st gen x3. They were similar in spec yet the f25 was "45 kg lighter" on paper yet I am sure it was 30 - 40kg heavier. But hey it works. I just ordered my i3 eheh

You do realize the new Q7 is smaller than the old one right? And even with 300kg dropped, it's still similar to the X5 in terms of weight. Audi really has a superb marketing team. They tricked everyone thinking they are making the lightest cars out there, which isn't true.

[e1000]

Gesture control will not be available in Italy.

[vladberca]

I'd like to see the the weight difference between the new 7 and the new XJ 😊

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by e1000

Gesture control will not be available in Italy.

Now that's a proper remark

[Jai 302]

Originally Posted by BetoVera

I really hope you're getting paid for this post

Don't need to get paid for speaking my mind. I hope you're enjoying your daily dose of hater-ade. Cheers

[Jai 302]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

How about we start with a weight comparison of the current cars? The existing 7-Series starts at 4344lbs. The lightest S-class weighs 4678. So the 7-Series, for all the "it's a fat pig" rhetoric that's been spewed ad nauseam, already weighs over 300lbs less than the S-class. Now shave 300lbs off the 7-Series (450lbs without new content previously unavailable added back in), and you have a vehicle that weighs about 600lbs less than a comparable S-class. That's pretty significant. As for whether BMW will create an M7 to compete with the AMG's, I wish they would too, but if we can get a 600hp+ Alpina B7 and an even more lightweight 500hp+ M770 (or whatever BMW calls the M Performance model), I think we'll be doing ok.

You're spot on. I guess misterbeemer is just high on Hater-ade. Good to hear the 7 is going to be 600lbs lighter than the competition! I wonder how it'll drive.

I find it annoying that people are hating on this amazing car just for the sake of hating. They can't get it through their heads that some people just don't care about the S-class, and start getting their panties in a twist when someone prefers the 7 over the S. It makes people look even more pathetic when they say I work for BMW because I like the 7 more. Any more cheap comments? Give me a break. Most of the people commenting cannot afford a 7 or S anyway. Besides, you're not some God that everyone has to like what you like and that's why we have choices. K? Good.

[GOLFFRR]

so cool!!!!

[YungDro]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Ignore him. He has a habit of calling members of a BMW forum that own several BMW's, Merc fanboys.

Habit? what are you smoking.. I've only said it 3 times.

[YungDro]

Originally Posted by Jai 302

Most of the people commenting cannot afford a 7 or S anyway.

+1

Most forums and comments ive seen on youtube and car sites have been positive about the new 7 its very popular, a lot of people like it. It's just 135i owners on this website hating

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by vladberca

I'd like to see the the weight difference between the new 7 and the new XJ 😊

Im sure the BMW will have the lower weight, even though it has way more technology inside. It is carbon fiber we are talking about here. I trust BMW with the weight-saving, unlike Land rover, which claimed losing 350 KG in the new Range Rover. Luckily, this was tested and busted, as it was basically an outright lie

Talking about luxury SUVs, do you really think the new Q7 saved 300 kg without carbon?

[Diver]

Can it cook and clean?

[TheBry]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

IAS was not 4 wheel steering.

Ummm... you're wrong. It is four-wheel steering. Rear wheels can turn up to 3-degrees. When driving below (I believe) 30mph, the wheels turn opposite the front wheels to, for example, tighten the turning radius. When driving at higher speeds, the wheels turn in tandem with the front wheels to make highway / lane-change maneuvers smoother. Bottom line -- the rear wheels do help steer the car, and this feature was (is) included in IAS.

I speak from experience. I own the car.

[DASHOCKER]

that remote parking!