Pontiac coined "The Ultimate Driving Machine" not BMW

[Nothing]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Too bad Pontiac never consistently made an ultimate anything. The G8 and GTO were just starting to make Pontiac good and GM killed the brand.

For all you (including some guy from FL) whom think the old 60s-70s GTOs and Firebird/TransAms drive well. Try driving them again. They don't stop, turn, or even go that fast in a straight line stock. Last year I had the rare opportunity to test a survivor 1970 GTO 400. It was great when it didn't move. On the road it was just horrible.

Edit: apparently the above comment offended some assface. I do not retract my anecdote but revised the intro.

GM is going to kill off the SS after next year too I believe. It's a good car in a very boring package. But a good drivers car none the less.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Nothing

GM is going to kill off the SS after next year too I believe. It's a good car in a very boring package. But a good drivers car none the less.

Totally. Didn't it start off as an Aussie engineered (Holden), fleet-only vehicle for smokies?

I haven't had the chance to drive one. 1. Cuz I got about 1lbs of stainless steel holding my femur together, 2. Cuz I've had bad experiences in the past getting to test SS model vehicles.

You can find my OP on BP, but basically refused by 2 different dealers to test drive the Trailblazer SS and Corvette (separate occasions). I eventually bought the TB SS from a dealer that I called ahead to confirm a test drive.

[BEMR]

I bought uncle Kens 66 GTO in 69 loved that one wheel burnout I'd do around the neighborhood

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by BEMR

I bought uncle Kens 66 GTO in 69 loved that one wheel burnout I'd do around the neighborhood

Early GTOs didn't come with posi?

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by ezndo

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. One "rare" test drive? C'mon, spend some seat time before you spout off. Also, if you expect a 1970 GTO to handle like an M3, see the first sentence.

Hey, I figured out why you got so personal... You had a 1970 GTO 'Vert, right?

You mad? My bad. But my opinion on the '70 I saw stands. It was a hardtop, btw.

- The Fool

BTW E60 M5 was one of the biggest piece of shit cars I've ever had....

Wait for it...

...in terms of reliability. It spent 3 months at the dealer for a failed oil squirter. Also, SMG pump recall. I still loved it but would never get one again.

[Boeing Driver]

Yeah, I want this one when I grow up...

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Boeing Driver

Yeah, I want this one when I grow up...

For sure!

They are sweet looking cars, especially the earlier ones (Gen 1). I probably wouldn't be able to truly appreciate it unless it's a restomod or pro touring.

Who wants to adjust carbs when the temps change and start a car using choke or deal with points distributors.... Damn.

[bjcarls]

I rebuilt a 1970 GTO when I was 15, (20 some years ago) and hope someday to purchase another. Was it a great handling car, no. Stop good? No. Go like stink in a straight line, yes Make great sounds and smells, yes! Ultimate in my book for what it was built for.

[Pyrat 2]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Too bad Pontiac never consistently made an ultimate anything. The G8 and GTO were just starting to make Pontiac good and GM killed the brand.

For all you (including some guy from FL) whom think the old 60s-70s GTOs and Firebird/TransAms drive well. Try driving them again. They don't stop, turn, or even go that fast in a straight line stock. Last year I had the rare opportunity to test a survivor 1970 GTO 400. It was great when it didn't move. On the road it was just horrible.

Edit: apparently the above comment offended some assface. I do not retract my anecdote but revised the intro.

Thanks for the "Appreciates", fellas.

Back in there day they were good straight line cars. By today's standards not at all. The GTOs on original frames are still somewhat rare as they could go but couldn't stop. Lots of GTOs with damaged front ends.

[MiamiFan13]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Too bad Pontiac never consistently made an ultimate anything. The G8 and GTO were just starting to make Pontiac good and GM killed the brand.

For all you (including some guy from FL) whom think the old 60s-70s GTOs and Firebird/TransAms drive well. Try driving them again. They don't stop, turn, or even go that fast in a straight line stock. Last year I had the rare opportunity to test a survivor 1970 GTO 400. It was great when it didn't move. On the road it was just horrible.

Edit: apparently the above comment offended some assface. I do not retract my anecdote but revised the intro.

Thanks for the "Appreciates", fellas.

And your point is??? Cars from that era were either fast in a straight line or much slower, but nimble.... almost none were ever both.

I don't really know you, so I'll stop short of calling you naïve.

[raysspl]

Quote this if any of y'all think Bob Lutz is a joke & an overly hyped "car man"

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by MiamiFan13

And your point is??? Cars from that era were either fast in a straight line or much slower, but nimble.... almost none were ever both.

I don't really know you, so I'll stop short of calling you naïve.

That's ok, I've already been called worse on this thread.

My point was that there are still guys who claim that GTOs of yore are BETTER than cars today. Or, the claims were that these GTOs were the end all be all. I just didn't want to hear any of that on this thread.

It's like mentioning BMWs and there's always some guy saying nothing is better than a 2002.

So, there's a nuance from what you're saying.

I hope this clarifies.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by bjcarls

I rebuilt a 1970 GTO when I was 15, (20 some years ago) and hope someday to purchase another. Was it a great handling car, no. Stop good? No. Go like stink in a straight line, yes Make great sounds and smells, yes! Ultimate in my book for what it was built for.

bjcarls , respect what you're saying. And agree. We're cool.

My post was not meant as a troll or to attract flame. Having been a CCA Member for more than 15 years, I'm absolutely sick of hearing people talk about how great the 2002 is and how no BMW ever made after can compare. At one point, I even tried to understand the logic by comparing stats against the 2002.

I will admit that the 2002 was great in its contemporary setting and still has its charm today. However, I don't give it much more contemporary kudos beyond nostalgia and perhaps "feel".

My point was not to discount the 1st and 2nd Gen GTOs. They indeed had their place in history. In fact, I DO think it's a cool car. Otherwise, why would I even bother driving it?

I just didn't want to hear any guys chime in and pull a "2002".

I hope people coming into this read take time to read instead of flaming.

[BEMR]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Early GTOs didn't come with posi?

no posi

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by BEMR

no posi

Hahaha. PEG LEG!

[ArchiProf]

I owned a 1966 GTO. 389, Tri-Power, 4-Speed, and 3.9 posi rear gearing. It would lay down two strips of rubber with ease and "chirp" the "wide oval" tires up through the gears. It was a straight line terror for its time.

[BEMR]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Hahaha. PEG LEG!

limited slip posi

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by ArchiProf

I owned a 1966 GTO. 389, Tri-Power, 4-Speed, and 3.9 posi rear gearing. It would lay down two strips of rubber with ease and "chirp" the "wide oval" tires up through the gears. It was a straight line terror for its time.

Badassery even today. But you said it bro, "for its time".

Would you ever come out and say, "all you new car guys are wrong, my 66 GTO was the best. Car. Ever."?

3.9 posi... Not stock?

[mshab356]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

^ In this song "G-6" is actually a twin jet private aircraft Gulfstream IV or GIV, obviously not Pontiac G6...

My whole life has been a lie...

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by mshab356

My whole life has been a lie...

Cuz you thought your Pontiac G6 was the subject of that horrible rap song?

Or that Pontiac was the OG "Ultimate Driving Machine"?

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

I just found out that prior to being the head man at GM, Bob Lutz used to work for BMW in the early 70's. He brought "The Ultimate Driving Machine" with him from Pontiac, who did not trade mark the phrase. I find this fascinating!

This is when they took time to make a good commercial. The key message I got was WIDE OPEN SPACES because it does not take a turn very well. LOL

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Dexterspeed

This is when they took time to make a good commercial. The key message I got was WIDE OPEN SPACES because it does not take a turn very well. LOL

Ever notice there are hardly any good car commercials anymore? Especially American car Marques that actually try to SELL or HIGHLIGHT performance?

Wouldn't you like to see a Mustang GT350 carving up canyon roads and doing a burnout?

I would.