BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   7Post - 7 Series Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-18-2015, 11:26 PM   #23
krnnerdboy
Colonel
krnnerdboy's Avatar
United_States
190
Rep
2,431
Posts

Drives: v10 m6
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: so cal

iTrader: (10)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8600RPM
I can't concur, I get the same mpg as I did in my e92. I flog it all the time but that's what an m car should do. Why couldn't bmw keep the m3 naturally aspirated. Yes cost as well. I Love my f80 but I agree turbos are a false mpg elevation
I'm getting 29mpg average per tank...I'm not a hypermiler and I average 75 on freeways
__________________

F80 m3, 997 gt3, 14 ram ctd, f15 x5, drz400sm

Gone:z4m, boss 302, c6 z06, m6,z3m
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2015, 11:35 PM   #24
FogCityM3
Colonel
FogCityM3's Avatar
497
Rep
2,400
Posts

Drives: M3 (E90) & Porsche GT3 RS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

Well the M-division once said the same thing as Ferrari 6-7 years ago, except the guys that said that and ran the division are now gone and it doesn't matter, if you're a Euro manufacturer, there's almost no way around it. Gotta give credit to Ferrari for the honesty (plus they're being spun off) but they know full well that the electric motors will help solve the lag and other issues that turbo applications have.

Also Ford and GM know exactly what they're doing in taking full advantage of not being hampered by Euro restrictions as much. Hence animals like the GT350.

Last edited by FogCityM3; 01-18-2015 at 11:41 PM..
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 01:06 AM   #25
dkhm3
Brigadier General
dkhm3's Avatar
United_States
1881
Rep
3,341
Posts

Drives: 991.2 GT3 2020 X3MC
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Orange County

iTrader: (0)

I'm getting 19+ mpg. I am driving it pretty hard - my old 6.2 c63 was slower and getting 14-14.5 mpg.
__________________
Currently:
2018 GT3 2020 X3MC

Previously:
1999 M3 2002 M3 2005 S4 2008 C63 2015 M3 2016 X5M 2019 911S
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 05:18 AM   #26
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
My fuel consumption observations thus far:

DD: F8X drinks just as much as my E92 did
Highway: Does not even compare, the F8X is very frugal
Track: The F8X gobbles more fuel than my E92 did
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 09:07 AM   #27
8600RPM
Lieutenant Colonel
657
Rep
1,749
Posts

Drives: e92 m3
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: AZ

iTrader: (0)

Exactly CanAuto! But who buys an m to cruise? Maybe I'm the rare one but I always felt if you cared about mileage than why buy an m3 but different arguement.

Ferrari clearly more weekend car only.

For me I drive the piss out of my cars daily
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 09:13 AM   #28
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8600RPM View Post
Exactly CanAuto! But who buys an m to cruise? Maybe I'm the rare one but I always felt if you cared about mileage than why buy an m3 but different arguement.

Ferrari clearly more weekend car only.

For me I drive the piss out of my cars daily
My observations only, I offered no comment

If fuel economy was a priority in our family, we wouldn't have had two V8 in our driveway for so long (E92 M3 and B7 S4) .
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 09:44 AM   #29
myzmak
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
myzmak's Avatar
Canada
2415
Rep
3,415
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [10.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
My fuel consumption observations thus far:

DD: F8X drinks just as much as my E92 did
Highway: Does not even compare, the F8X is very frugal
Track: The F8X gobbles more fuel than my E92 did
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8600RPM View Post
Exactly CanAuto! But who buys an m to cruise? Maybe I'm the rare one but I always felt if you cared about mileage than why buy an m3 but different arguement.

Ferrari clearly more weekend car only.

For me I drive the piss out of my cars daily
Both fair points, but, while nobody drives an M3 to cruise, there are times (freeways or highways or even on other streets) when one is going along at a steady pace (can't be on the throttle all the time) and a smaller displacement turbo will save fuel vs more displacement/cylinders.

Despite our enthusiast desires to pummel the cars all the time, lots of times we can't and, ultimately, over time, that will work out to an overall fuel savings. While the 'mileage may vary' for some, I am extremely confident that if one did an overall 'average of all fuel economy for all M3/M4 drivers' for the E90 era vs the F80 era, the economy would be better. And, if you are a government regulator with a goal of reducing fuel usage per car, that is movement in the right direction.
__________________
Drivin' Lucy
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 11:40 AM   #30
GrussGott
Lieutenant General
GrussGott's Avatar
United_States
18113
Rep
11,746
Posts

Drives: 2018 M4 Comp Indv
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Newport Beach

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
My fuel consumption observations thus far:

DD: F8X drinks just as much as my E92 did
Highway: Does not even compare, the F8X is very frugal
Track: The F8X gobbles more fuel than my E92 did
Totally agree with this - on my ED I was amazed at how much better MPG I was getting over the e9x ... then my f8x shows up in the US and I was thinking the VPC made some change, but nope any long highway run still shows great MPG. And, yeah, hard driving will surprise you ... the needle doesn't move much and then BAM you just lost a half tank.

In fairness to the M4, I think the hellcat loses a tank in 15 minutes at the track.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurtleBoy View Post
He tries to draw people into inane arguments, some weird pastime of his.
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 11:49 AM   #31
GrussGott
Lieutenant General
GrussGott's Avatar
United_States
18113
Rep
11,746
Posts

Drives: 2018 M4 Comp Indv
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Newport Beach

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex07M3 View Post
OT but, wow, the California doesn't look quite as dorky these days - still seems like not-a-Ferrari though ... I see quite a few of them in NorCal and the 1st gen models are ... not good. Ruins the brand a bit for me.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurtleBoy View Post
He tries to draw people into inane arguments, some weird pastime of his.
Appreciate 0
      01-19-2015, 03:51 PM   #32
M3guy3
Captain
131
Rep
690
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

IMO the best setup to battle emissions and fuel is a electric/NA setup.

918 spyder.
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2015, 12:13 AM   #33
aksi
First Lieutenant
82
Rep
398
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: May 2014
Location: CA,US

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aajami View Post
There's nothing like a high-revving, free-breathing naturally aspirated engine. Nothing at all.

It's sad that their days are coming to an end. To that point, I'm really curious about the upcoming Mustang GT350. That engine seems pretty damn incredible.
exactly. NA high revving engines are the most fun cars to drive. It does not matter how fast it is on a straight road. Through the corners, heel and toe, you see the needle shooting so high in the 8000 range, and hear the car screaming everytime your heel pushes on the pedal is something you will quickly notice how fun these cars are.
Also high revving engines are technology at its best itself.
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2015, 03:00 AM   #34
Ezio
Brigadier General
Ezio's Avatar
United_States
380
Rep
3,934
Posts

Drives: 2023 Alfa Romeo, 2023 m240i
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: MI

iTrader: (0)

i think there is a lot of mix feelings out there, and even reading what people say on here. Some people love the boost, and some people love the N/A.

My biggest problem with a trubo Ferrari is NOT that its going to perform worse. but its going to take away from that signature scream these engines make. Will it still sound like a Ferrari? sure, but its never going to be as good.

Sure turbos work on japan tuners , and some euro cars like GTI or 335i. But IMO having a N/A V12 Ferrari engine making over 600HP with no turbos, no superchargers just pure engine, while sounding like a F1 racecar (the N/A ones) is what you pay for. I think its kind of a shame that the top end cars have to add turbos.
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2015, 04:56 PM   #35
Blindside_137
Lieutenant General
Blindside_137's Avatar
United_States
6694
Rep
10,595
Posts

Drives: 2011.75 SSII E90 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTO24
I'm a fan of both NA and turbo motors. Turbos are great for effortless straight line acceleration (as stated in the OP) and NA is great for road courses and winding backroads where precise throttle control and predictable torque output is preferred.

It's not always about being the fastest but the drama and delivery of the power; Ferrari is all about theater/drama.
THIS
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2015, 09:11 PM   #36
ypsillzx
New Member
0
Rep
7
Posts

Drives: e92 pre-lci
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NC

iTrader: (0)

Anybody know why there are no electric turbos out yet?

Also why isnt Ferrari, embracing electric? Honda managed to put it nicely in a 150k package with the NSX, I'm sure they would be able as well.
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2015, 09:29 PM   #37
ShocknAwe
1Addict
ShocknAwe's Avatar
3200
Rep
7,859
Posts

Drives: E82 Mutt, M57 Truck
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (22)

One of the only good articles I've seen out of R&T lately. But totally to the point.

This is probably the last turbo engine car I will own if I can help it. Fun, but I miss NA.
__________________
2010 135i 6MT Jet Black
N54/3 FE82 Mutt | BUILD THREAD | GARAGE SALE
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2015, 10:05 PM   #38
MalibuBimmer
Founder, Knights of the Roundel website
MalibuBimmer's Avatar
United_States
967
Rep
1,723
Posts

Drives: 2015 M4 and 2018 AMG GT
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Santa Monica Mountains, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2018 Mercedes AMG GT  [0.00]
2018 Audi Q3  [0.00]
2015 BMW M4  [10.00]
I thought the article missed the point. Most of the time when we drive we don't need all the horsepower that can and is produced by our cars. Turbocharging lets us use a lot less with smaller displacement engines.

If you're going to drive a Ferrari at 7000 rpm all the time, then you don't need turbocharging. But in the real world that's not the way people drive.
__________________
Previously: 2014 i8; 2013 650i convertible; 2013 650i Gran Coupe; 2013 X1; 2010 550i GT; 2010 535 GT; 2010 Z4 3.5; 2008 535ixt; 2007 M6 convertible; 2006 650i convertible; 1996 Z3; 1980 633CSi; 1978 630CS; 1972 3.0CS; 1971 Bavaria. (1971; 1979-2005 & 2017 - ? -- the Mercedes years.)
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2015, 05:50 AM   #39
LDSM
Captain
LDSM's Avatar
United_States
343
Rep
686
Posts

Drives: ...
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: ...

iTrader: (0)

I hope as we move into the future of hybrid cars, electric motors will be partnered with NA engines, not turbos. Seeing as how electric motors solve all the problems we have with emissions, and turbos (no lag, instant torque, no pollution), we could reap all the benefits of a turbo engine, minus the turbo, and get back our beloved NA engine sound and responsiveness.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:42 AM.




7post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST