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      04-09-2009, 09:59 PM   #45
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So once Shiv@Vishnu is done you have a 900+ hp engine, then you bring the car over to Dinan who will add another 200+ hp so you have a 1100+ hp engine. Since that's not nearly enough for a 5000+ lb car, bring it back to Shiv@Vishnu so he can add yet another 300+ hp... Now you have 1400+hp under the hood ... PERFECT!!! Now we are talking

I think if anybody would go and tweak that engine a LOT higher, they better beef up the cooling along with it or see all those pretty plastic pieces melt right out from under the hood!

Maybe another 100+ hp, but going from 544hp to 900+ hp???

Warranty and reliability is out the window and heat is building up faster than you can cook eggs on your stove
Well clearly sarcasm is not your forté. Post edited to help you out.

Anyways, enjoy your 7 when you get it. I'd hate to be in your dilemma of waiting longer for a 760 or getting a 750...either option rocks! (I spotted a Citrin Black at the Welt last month...ridiculously awesome color.)
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I wonder when this car will actually become available (will start shipping from the factory)?

My wife just asked me... If I like the 760 better?

Well DOH... what a question. She told me I should change my order. I would, but I don't want to wait yet another couple more month!
The 760Li and 750Li are two entirely different beasts with a very different feel to them!

I speak from experience having owned the V12 E38 750iL when it first came out, and then the E66 745Li, 750Li and 760Li Individual!

The 745Li was no slouch and neither is your 2009 750Li.
However, the V12 engine is just a different feeling altogether, i mean if you have ever driven one, you would understand!
Its just an almost effortless surge of power that just seems limitless once you push the pedal there is no feeling like that from any V8, TT or supercharged!

I mean even the V8s and V10s in the M are tuned to be sporty and racing oriented,
but trust me once you are behind a V12 TT, then you will forget everything else

And please dont take the M statement in the wrong way, I drive an E93 M3 Cab and also the 760Li Individual, so I can tell from ownership experience between the V8s and V12s.

Also, from other brands I have had the newer Mercedes SL600 and SL55 AMG.

There was a big difference between these 2 cars, the SL55 is a nice machine, but once I flashed the ECU and TCU for my SL600 from renntech and got to 625bhp and 738lbft torque, the SL55 was history!

Anyways, I would really recommend you change your order if you can!
The few months longer wait will be worth it, trust me
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All of that mechanical beauty and it is covered in plastic

...What happened to the days where you could actually see all the mechanical greatness under the hood.

Oh well.
If you did a poll, I bet 95% of recent or current 7er owners have never opened their own hood...

I cant wait for a few tuners to get ahold of this beast!
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If you did a poll, I bet 95% of recent or current 7er owners have never opened their own hood...

I cant wait for a few tuners to get ahold of this beast!
Same here...I can see a small market of 7 owners wanting more power. I think flashes alone will see +50hp and flashes plus supporting cooling/exhaust mods a nice +100hp. I think a 650hp luxo barge would satiate any speed freak. And, I don't see ///M working on this engine in the near future or this heavy powerplant being used in a supercar from BMW.

Regardless, it feels strange that the ///M5's V10 is no longer the most powerful engine from BMW!
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      04-10-2009, 12:03 PM   #52
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The 760Li and 750Li are two entirely different beasts with a very different feel to them!

I speak from experience having owned the V12 E38 750iL when it first came out, and then the E66 745Li, 750Li and 760Li Individual!

The 745Li was no slouch and neither is your 2009 750Li.
However, the V12 engine is just a different feeling altogether, i mean if you have ever driven one, you would understand!
Its just an almost effortless surge of power that just seems limitless once you push the pedal there is no feeling like that from any V8, TT or supercharged!

I mean even the V8s and V10s in the M are tuned to be sporty and racing oriented,
but trust me once you are behind a V12 TT, then you will forget everything else

And please dont take the M statement in the wrong way, I drive an E93 M3 Cab and also the 760Li Individual, so I can tell from ownership experience between the V8s and V12s.

Also, from other brands I have had the newer Mercedes SL600 and SL55 AMG.

There was a big difference between these 2 cars, the SL55 is a nice machine, but once I flashed the ECU and TCU for my SL600 from renntech and got to 625bhp and 738lbft torque, the SL55 was history!

Anyways, I would really recommend you change your order if you can!
The few months longer wait will be worth it, trust me
Thanks. I am aware that there is a huge difference and I would change my order too. However my original order for a new car was placed back in May of last year! So I have been waiting for a good year now. My 750 is going into production in about 2 1/2 weeks. Then I still have to wait probably another 6 weeks give or take before I finally get my new car. That's an awful long time to wait!

I think I'm going to wait and see if BMW will release a 760 xDrive version. I know they will be releasing a 750 version for sure but I'm hoping for a 760 version, if that's the case, I'll trade my 750 in for a 760 xDrive.

Besides, they still have not announced when the 760 will actually be available. So it could be as short as 2 or 3 month but it could also still take another 6+ month. I would assume that because the 760 and 750 share most of the parts (except for the new engine, transmission and maybe a few other smaller parts), that the car would be available sooner rather than later.
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Same here...I can see a small market of 7 owners wanting more power. I think flashes alone will see +50hp and flashes plus supporting cooling/exhaust mods a nice +100hp. I think a 650hp luxo barge would satiate any speed freak. And, I don't see ///M working on this engine in the near future or this heavy powerplant being used in a supercar from BMW.

Regardless, it feels strange that the ///M5's V10 is no longer the most powerful engine from BMW!
+1

It does 'feel' strange that the ///M5's V10 is no longer the most powerful engine, however that's progress and there will be other ///M engines that will surpass the V10's power. Although they will most likely all involve turbos from now on and won't be as high revving as they have been in the past!
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Ryouken, did they give you a production week for your car yet?
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What I found rather interesting about the picture showing the V12 above is that you can clearly see the alternator. I thought that BMW (at least according to their sales brochures) is pushing the efficient dynamics and one of those functions was to use brake energy regeneration ?!?

I have yet to see any car for the North American market that actually has that feature. They had advertised this on the X6 and on the new 7 series. But to date, none of these cars actually have this brake energy regeneration feature!
The international brochures available from bmw.com for the X6 as well as the new 7 series were both showing the brake energy regeneration features on the efficient dynamics overview pages. However, none of the local market brochures (US or Canada) are showing this feature!?!
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Ryouken, did they give you a production week for your car yet?
No, but he did give me a production #
and when I talked to my CA last week he said 2 weeks till they start building
so what do you figure the week is?
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No, but he did give me a production #
and when I talked to my CA last week he said 2 weeks till they start building
so what do you figure the week is?
Well it's either week 17 or 18. Mine is week 18. So they may end up being assembled at pretty much the same time

It only takes something like 10.5 hours to assemble a complete 7 series car from start to finish.

After that, it's the long wait for the boat to get here .........
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SUCH A FUCKING BRUTAL CAR!

bye bye S65 AMG
not really

The S65AMG is still the daddy of all 4 door sedans ever created!

It come stock from the factory with 604bhp, and 738lbft of torque!

and dont start with, "the V12tt in the 760 can be tuned to run more then 604bhp, because so can the S65AMG's V12 TT as well "

Never underestimate the S65!

Mercedes was always once step ahead of the game, but now BMW is catching up via using turbos on there M cars (X5, X6) and its V8s and V12s as well.

You could say bye bye S600, which is rated at 510bhp and 612lbft of torque, but given it has slightly less bhp (34bhp) but more torque, I would say it would be interesting to have a S600 vs 760Li comparison!!! (V12 TT vs V12 TT)
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What I found rather interesting about the picture showing the V12 above is that you can clearly see the alternator. I thought that BMW (at least according to their sales brochures) is pushing the efficient dynamics and one of those functions was to use brake energy regeneration ?!?
Is it not a case that the alternator is "switched off" in most circumstances and automatically switches on during breaking to reduce the load on the engine under nromal driving conditions? It' not like the new KERS system that the F1 race cars have.
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Is it not a case that the alternator is "switched off" in most circumstances and automatically switches on during breaking to reduce the load on the engine under nromal driving conditions? It' not like the new KERS system that the F1 race cars have.
No, since the alternator is driven direct from one of the belts. If you wanted the alternator to be disconnected from the engine to reduce the load, you would require an electromagnetic clutch (similar to what the compressor for the AC has). And as you can see from the above picture, there is no such clutch on the alternator. Even if you were to disconnect the electrical connections from the alternator to reduce the load, you would still have the alternators own load that the engine has to drive. Not to mention that once the electrical connection would be re-established, you would see a massive disturbance on the power bus! If I remember correctly, the alternator puts out 210A@14V or 2940W (those are the specs for the 750, they may be different for the 730 and 740).
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not really

The S65AMG is still the daddy of all 4 door sedans ever created!

It come stock from the factory with 604bhp, and 738lbft of torque!

and dont start with, "the V12tt in the 760 can be tuned to run more then 604bhp, because so can the S65AMG's V12 TT as well "

Never underestimate the S65!

Mercedes was always once step ahead of the game, but now BMW is catching up via using turbos on there M cars (X5, X6) and its V8s and V12s as well.

You could say bye bye S600, which is rated at 510bhp and 612lbft of torque, but given it has slightly less bhp (34bhp) but more torque, I would say it would be interesting to have a S600 vs 760Li comparison!!! (V12 TT vs V12 TT)
I think that the 760 is a 'Brutal car' in it's own right.

I wouldn't say 'bye bye S65' since in all fairness, the S65 is a TUNED car and not a standard car in the same sense as the 760.

To be fair, I think that the M division would have to have a go at it and tune it into an ///M version of the 760.

e.g. S65 (AMG tuned) vs. ///M760 (M Gmbh tuned)

But in terms of a direct comparison, I agree with you, it would be nice to see an S600 vs. 760 going head to head (but preferably by someone that is not biased towards either the MB or BMW!).
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No, since the alternator is driven direct from one of the belts. If you wanted the alternator to be disconnected from the engine to reduce the load, you would require an electromagnetic clutch (similar to what the compressor for the AC has). And as you can see from the above picture, there is no such clutch on the alternator. Even if you were to disconnect the electrical connections from the alternator to reduce the load, you would still have the alternators own load that the engine has to drive. Not to mention that once the electrical connection would be re-established, you would see a massive disturbance on the power bus! If I remember correctly, the alternator puts out 210A@14V or 2940W (those are the specs for the 750, they may be different for the 730 and 740).

There must be an error in my brochure then which states;

"Make use of every Watt: by charging the battery only when your BMW is braking, coasting or decelerating, Brake Energy Regeneration improves fuel efficiency by up to three percent and ensures that the full power of your engine is available for acceleration.


Today's vehicles require much more electrical energy than older models, due to the much wider array of electric and electronic on-board comfort and safety systems. This energy is created by the generator (also known as the alternator) which converts the engine's power output into electricity. In conventional systems, the generator is permanently driven by a belt connected to the engine.

BMW's Brake Energy Regeneration operates differently: the generator is activated only when you take your foot from the accelerator or apply the brake. The kinetic energy that would otherwise go to waste is now used efficiently, converted into electricity by the generator and stored in the battery.

Producing electricity in this highly efficient way delivers an additional advantage: when you apply the accelerator, the generator is deactivated - so the full power of the engine can be directed to the drive wheels. Brake Energy Regeneration thus increases fuel efficiency while simultaneously enhancing driving dynamics. As a safety precaution, the Brake Energy Regeneration system monitors the level of battery charge and will, if necessary, continue to charge the battery even during acceleration to prevent a complete discharging of the battery."
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