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      11-19-2015, 09:35 PM   #23
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love the hockey stick storage on the new 7
I don't get that giant Lexus "L" on the side of the car...why?
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looks OK.... but to me already completely outdated and beaten by M6 grancoupe style... the only pattern i would prefer this is to be a passenger seating on that lounge backseat.
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I would slightly disagree. V12 engines are awesome.

As the saying goes, there is no replacement for displacement........and cylinder count
Yeah V12s are cool, I agree of course, but the tech seems a bit outdated. I mean, a 6.6 liter V12 which probably wont push more than 560 hp. A twin turbo V12 at that. I know its like a luxury option for the 7 series, but it is also the highest performance you can get in the 7 series.
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It's not bad. Still wouldn't get it new & just get a Tesla instead.
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The Mercedes seem to own the big luxury sedan class. This car looks boring!
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The only was I can find this e design acceptable is in that M sport package with 20 inch wheels.Still can't digest the design of the headlights and the taillights.Absolutely disgusting on a 100K + car.I was waiting for this as my lease expires in 12 months.I have to look to other brands now.
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Definitely take a 16 ctsv over any 6 or 7 series right now.
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Yeah V12s are cool, I agree of course, but the tech seems a bit outdated. I mean, a 6.6 liter V12 which probably wont push more than 560 hp. A twin turbo V12 at that. I know its like a luxury option for the 7 series, but it is also the highest performance you can get in the 7 series.
From the rumors I heard, the 6.6 liter V12 will output more than 600 horsepower (similar to the Rolls Royce Wraith)

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The V12 just seems a bit outdated, I wish the best engine would be a twin turbo V8 S63 or even a new V10 (yeah, Im dreaming...)
I would slightly disagree. V12 engines are awesome.

As the saying goes, there is no replacement for displacement........and cylinder count
Agree 100%
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Yeah V12s are cool, I agree of course, but the tech seems a bit outdated. I mean, a 6.6 liter V12 which probably wont push more than 560 hp. A twin turbo V12 at that. I know its like a luxury option for the 7 series, but it is also the highest performance you can get in the 7 series.
The V12 in the RR wraith is detuned. It can get up to 850 hp reliably according to a top RR engineer I spoke with during the launch events. Totally outdated lol

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From the rumors I heard, the 6.6 liter V12 will output more than 600 horsepower (similar to the Rolls Royce Wraith)

Engine to be used is BMW GROUP ENGINE N74B66
Usually the difference will be in the number of turbos. RR usually gets 4, BMW gets 2.
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The V12 in the RR wraith is detuned. It can get up to 850 hp reliably according to a top RR engineer I spoke with during the launch events. Totally outdated lol



Usually the difference will be in the number of turbos. RR usually gets 4, BMW gets 2.
Just because you can extract that power doesn't mean it is good. There are NA V12s which would achieve that hp/litre level (Ferrari V12). The layout seems very conventional 60degree V12 with the turbos hanging off the side. I would also bet that the engine is very heavy and consumes a lot of fuel, not that the latter matters so much. I cant check right now, but I can also bet that the engine doesnt feature the newest technologies BMW has in valve control such as variable valve timing or so. And did you just say that RR gets 4 turbos? 4 turbos? Where did you get that information from?
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