BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   7Post - 7 Series Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-20-2017, 10:30 AM   #23
twin fed
Doc Brown
twin fed's Avatar
1176
Rep
2,174
Posts

Drives: 2016 MG MT M2
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Isle of Long

iTrader: (2)

I understand that fully. And I hope you are correct, but they are still copying the design of the 911 and passing it off as their own. And Singer like the others is not changing the fact that the car is still a Porsche, they just modifying it. This Yellow Bird does not say Porsche anywhere on it, but it does say RUF.
__________________


Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 11:33 AM   #24
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

I'm not sure that any RUF, including the original CTR ever had a Porsche badge left on it.

[img]http://www.ruf-web.co.jp/parts/image...804-11-FQA.jpg[/img]
Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 01:01 PM   #25
ScarecrowBoat
Zooombie attaaack!!
ScarecrowBoat's Avatar
United_States
136
Rep
1,179
Posts

Drives: 328
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Santa Monica

iTrader: (2)

I don't get it. $750k for a non-Porsche suped up Porsche that has a race car interior and looks like something from the mid 90s? Something about more money than sense.
Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 01:34 PM   #26
twin fed
Doc Brown
twin fed's Avatar
1176
Rep
2,174
Posts

Drives: 2016 MG MT M2
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Isle of Long

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
I'm not sure that any RUF, including the original CTR ever had a Porsche badge left on it.

[img]http://www.ruf-web.co.jp/parts/image...804-11-FQA.jpg[/img]
OK, but at one point most of them had Porsche crests on them and they were removed for RUF ones instead. This car will only ever had RUF badges.
__________________


Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 02:11 PM   #27
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by twin fed View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
I'm not sure that any RUF, including the original CTR ever had a Porsche badge left on it.

[img]http://www.ruf-web.co.jp/parts/image...804-11-FQA.jpg[/img]
OK, but at one point most of them had Porsche crests on them and they were removed for RUF ones instead. This car will only ever had RUF badges.
RUF does not receive complete cars. Body in white only. So they haven't removed Porsche badges in the past.

They are for all intents and purposes building a Porsche design with modifications and getting all the credit for it, but to be fair, they are assembling the car.

I do not particularly like this car, and would buy a Singer long before this thing, but RUF isn't going to do something to jeopardize their relationship with the mothership. This is blessed. Or it's not and it's gonna be Gemballa Pt 2.
Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 03:19 PM   #28
FriskyDingo
Rather Ambivalent
FriskyDingo's Avatar
United_States
378
Rep
755
Posts

Drives: Spiritedly
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Trapped In My Mind

iTrader: (0)

This is no different from any other RUF ever built. They are recognized as their own manufacturer and have licensing rights/agreements with Porsche to build all the 911-based vehicles they've ever done.

Not sure what all the confusion is about.
Appreciate 1
buddalun678.00
      03-20-2017, 03:21 PM   #29
Viffermike
Colonel
Viffermike's Avatar
United_States
1753
Rep
2,942
Posts

Drives: '18 black-n-blue 718 Cayman
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Big D

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by fhaze3 View Post
..and the obligatory original RUF Yellowbird on the 'Ring. Still is my all time favorite video.

The title of that video should be "Ruf Around the Edges".

(Yeah, I know: It's pronounced 'roof'. I don't care.)

Glorious.
__________________
--Life is a journey made more exciting with a fast car.--
--Helmets are for closers.--
<<Current: "Blackened" '18 NBM Porsche 718 Cayman ... Gone (but not forgotten): "Blackened" MG '15 228i M Sport w/aFe filter/scoop, Hertz drivers, P3Cars multigauge, other goodies>>
Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 03:22 PM   #30
buddalun
Lieutenant Colonel
buddalun's Avatar
United_States
678
Rep
1,932
Posts

Drives: 911 x 2, Tesla M3P & MYP
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: USA

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FriskyDingo View Post

Not sure what all the confusion is about.
You and I both!
Appreciate 0
      03-20-2017, 03:34 PM   #31
Viffermike
Colonel
Viffermike's Avatar
United_States
1753
Rep
2,942
Posts

Drives: '18 black-n-blue 718 Cayman
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Big D

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
RUF does not receive complete cars. Body in white only. So they haven't removed Porsche badges in the past.

They are for all intents and purposes building a Porsche design with modifications and getting all the credit for it, but to be fair, they are assembling the car.
twin fed Red Bread is correct ... and IIRC, those who've seen Rufs with Porsche badging on them are correct, too.

Ruf builds self-branded cars using the body-in-white model; that's where most of its reputation comes from. It also has businesses that tune and modify existing Porsches, as well as restores, repairs, and services older models.

Also: Ruf is considered an independent vehicle manufacturer by the German government, so there is no legal issue until that designation goes away, which is unlikely. The relationship is quite symbiotic, just as the one between BMW and Alpina is. Just because it builds cars from the ground up that look like something we all recognize doesn't mean that it isn't a totally different car, in much the same way that, say, a Lotus with a Toyota Celica GT-S drivetrain isn't going to be considered a Toyota by anyone.
__________________
--Life is a journey made more exciting with a fast car.--
--Helmets are for closers.--
<<Current: "Blackened" '18 NBM Porsche 718 Cayman ... Gone (but not forgotten): "Blackened" MG '15 228i M Sport w/aFe filter/scoop, Hertz drivers, P3Cars multigauge, other goodies>>
Appreciate 1
buddalun678.00
      03-20-2017, 03:36 PM   #32
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Thanks Viffermike , totally forgot about Porsches with RUF tuning, not just stand alone RUF cars.
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2017, 09:16 AM   #33
twin fed
Doc Brown
twin fed's Avatar
1176
Rep
2,174
Posts

Drives: 2016 MG MT M2
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Isle of Long

iTrader: (2)

The fact that RUF is a manufacturer has no bearing on this conversation. RUF bought those bodies in white from PORSCHE, they did not produce them on their own and they are not claiming to be original designs, like this car. This car has zero affiliation with PORSCHE. They copied a design plain and simple and put their name on it, I don't care hoe symbiotic your relationship is this is a stolen design. Has anyone actually confirmed that PORSCHE allowed them to do this or is it just speculation. I never said that RUF was in any kind of trouble with PORSCHE, I just said that they possibly could be.
__________________


Appreciate 0
      03-21-2017, 09:20 AM   #34
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by twin fed View Post
RUF bought those bodies in white from PORSCHE, they did not produce them on their own and they are not claiming to be original designs, like this car. This car has zero affiliation with PORSCHE. They copied a design plain and simple and put their name on it, Has anyone actually confirmed that PORSCHE allowed them to do this or is it just speculation. I never said that RUF was in any kind of trouble with PORSCHE, I just said that they possibly could be.
Caterham continues to build Lotus 7's. This isn't a new sort of thing. The CTR looks like a car that was last built in 1994, I think we're all good here.
Appreciate 1
Viffermike1753.00
      03-21-2017, 11:47 AM   #35
Viffermike
Colonel
Viffermike's Avatar
United_States
1753
Rep
2,942
Posts

Drives: '18 black-n-blue 718 Cayman
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Big D

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by twin fed View Post
The fact that RUF is a manufacturer has no bearing on this conversation. RUF bought those bodies in white from PORSCHE, they did not produce them on their own and they are not claiming to be original designs, like this car. This car has zero affiliation with PORSCHE. They copied a design plain and simple and put their name on it, I don't care hoe symbiotic your relationship is this is a stolen design. Has anyone actually confirmed that PORSCHE allowed them to do this or is it just speculation. I never said that RUF was in any kind of trouble with PORSCHE, I just said that they possibly could be.
Then sue 'em. And rots of ruck with all that, even with a bag of chips. You plainly don't understand German automotive history and have little respect for the laws of a country other than the one you live in.

Let. It. GO.
__________________
--Life is a journey made more exciting with a fast car.--
--Helmets are for closers.--
<<Current: "Blackened" '18 NBM Porsche 718 Cayman ... Gone (but not forgotten): "Blackened" MG '15 228i M Sport w/aFe filter/scoop, Hertz drivers, P3Cars multigauge, other goodies>>
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2017, 12:59 PM   #36
RM7
Brigadier General
RM7's Avatar
2870
Rep
3,445
Posts

Drives: Camaro SS 1LE
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Alaska

iTrader: (0)

Or did they copy the VW beatle?
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2017, 01:11 PM   #37
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
Or did they copy the VW beatle?
Breaking News! Daimler is launching patent infringement suits against every other car manufacturer for taking their idea of the Benz Patent Motor Car. Especially you, RUF, especially you.
Appreciate 1
Viffermike1753.00
      03-21-2017, 02:02 PM   #38
Matt@EuroJerks
Lieutenant
496
Rep
476
Posts

Drives: 2021 Jeep Cherokee
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: CT

iTrader: (1)

News Flash....****CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!!*** Dinosaurs are suing for the use of their bodies as fossil fuels.
Appreciate 1
Viffermike1753.00
      03-21-2017, 02:09 PM   #39
dzvero
Lieutenant Colonel
528
Rep
1,514
Posts

Drives: 2015 M$4 F82
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: CA

iTrader: (2)

Dont like the all alcantara interior
Appreciate 0
      11-16-2017, 01:53 PM   #40
MikeyV
Captain
74
Rep
805
Posts

Drives: Audi A6 Avant & A1 Sportback
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Norway

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by twin fed View Post
OK, but at one point most of them had Porsche crests on them and they were removed for RUF ones instead. This car will only ever had RUF badges.
Not at all, Ruf get bare chassis from Porsche, straight from the body shop then they build a Ruf from it.
Appreciate 0
      11-16-2017, 01:57 PM   #41
MikeyV
Captain
74
Rep
805
Posts

Drives: Audi A6 Avant & A1 Sportback
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Norway

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
Caterham continues to build Lotus 7's. This isn't a new sort of thing. The CTR looks like a car that was last built in 1994, I think we're all good here.
To be fair Caterham bought the design from Lotus and continued production. Ruf was working with Porsche to buy the 911 production line when Porsche were serious about phasing out the 911 for the 924/928.
Appreciate 0
      11-16-2017, 02:01 PM   #42
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyV View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
Caterham continues to build Lotus 7's. This isn't a new sort of thing. The CTR looks like a car that was last built in 1994, I think we're all good here.
To be fair Caterham bought the design from Lotus and continued production. Ruf was working with Porsche to buy the 911 production line when Porsche were serious about phasing out the 911 for the 924/928.
Aka when drugs really hit Weissach.
Appreciate 0
      11-16-2017, 04:10 PM   #43
MikeyV
Captain
74
Rep
805
Posts

Drives: Audi A6 Avant & A1 Sportback
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Norway

iTrader: (0)

I’ll think you’ll also find the copywriter on that design is long expired, I would assume that they probably informed Porsche well ahead of release what they were planning.

There’s a guy in NZ Rod Tempero who will build you an exact nut to the last but and bold replica of pretty much any pre 1970’s Italian or British sports car, the manufacturers don’t appear to have a problem with that either, even Ferrari who clamp down on anyone haven’t done anything, www.rodtempero.com
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:51 AM.




7post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST