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Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Looks like the Germans slightly edged out the Japanese on DI...

Wiki: The 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL, the first production sports car to use fuel injection, used direct injection.

Yes, you're absolutely right, and Fiat was credited with the first VVT engine - but who built them on a large scale first?

KingOfJericho · 08-19-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I don't apologize for my hate of VW, nor will I back down from it.

This whole standpoint is just brutally uninformed. Get out and experience more cars because you're doing yourself a huge disservice.

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Not saying this is impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Honda is far away a more reliable brand from EVERY objective study I've ever seen. And for such a "fantastic" car, the GTI never finds itself in the hands of enthusiast on a Autocross - I do see TONS of Hondas though.

A car needs to be autocrossed in order to be fantastic? Give me a break. Read some actual reviews or, better yet, go drive the cars yourself.

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

So you bought a FWD Golf streched into a sedan with AWD and think it's better than a well engineered RWD car? Ok.

That's not what I said. I said I bought the car because I enjoy the way it drives as well as the creature comforts. You dodged the question of what the Japanese counterpart would be...

To correct you a bit, here are the vehicles my car actually shares a chassis with:
Audi A5 (Typ 8T, 2007-)
Audi A4 (Typ 8K, 2008-)
Audi Q5 (Typ 8R, 2009-)
Audi A8 (Typ 4H, "D4", 2010-)
Audi A7 (Typ 4G, 2010-)
Audi A6 (Typ 4G, "C7", 2011-)
Porsche Macan (2013-)

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

HUH?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...65-3-roa1013-5 Winner, Lexus

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...lexus_bmw.html
Winner, Lexus

Have fun with being a a second tier BMW Audi (because that's all it will ever be)

Not sure if that was English but I don't see my car in any of those tests. I also don't claim that Audi is the best manufacturer in the world so it means absolutely nothing to me. Congrats, Lexus built a winner with the IS, however it still sounds lame and lacks the bite it should have, given the menacing look of the car. If you're going to be aggressive, be aggressive. Don't half-ass it.

Part of being a real enthusiast is being impartial. I've owned a dozen cars and never owned the same brand twice. Live a little.

P1 · 08-19-2014, 10:20 AM

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Who in their right mind would choose a Mazda??? I had one as a rental from Hertz once and even for a rental it was utter garbage.

KingOfJericho · 08-19-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Yes, you're absolutely right, and Fiat was credited with the first VVT engine - but who built them on a large scale first?

Who gives a shit? I don't buy cars because they were the first on the moon, I buy them because I like them and they work for my needs.

Red Bread · 08-19-2014, 10:29 AM

Just add him to your list of crazies and move on. Why keep arguing with him?

KingOfJericho · 08-19-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Just add him to your list of crazies and move on. Why keep arguing with him?

Good point.

dreamingat30fps · 08-19-2014, 10:39 AM

I will admit, the interior of the new Mazda is not bad at all (especially for a Japanese car), but honestly it's because it resembles the new BMW interiors lol.

Personally I like the clean sleek lines of the German interiors (except the last gen BMWs don't know what they were thinking) over the high-techy spaceship like interiors the Japanese like to do. Then again my friend (who drives a Prius) thinks the more touch screens the better, irregardless of design. That's why both Japanese and German automakers seem to find someone willing to purchase their vehicles I guess.

I have owned several VWs (MKIV Jetta 1.8t, MKV GTI, MKV Jetta, 2011 CC) and can only recall a water pump going bad on my MKV GTI that was replaced under warranty. I also own an EX35 (which is great) that has only had to go into the shop once so far for some $50 part that blew up that I don't recall what it was. However its a 2008 with about 50k miles and the dash is already cracking, I've never had that happen to any car I've ever owned. The most unreliable car I have ever owned to date was my 2009 335i, I couldn't even tell you how many times that thing was at the dealer.

Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 10:49 AM

Have fun with second tier cars. And LOL at comparing the GTI with a Mada 3 when over 10K seperates them.

dreamingat30fps · 08-19-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Have fun with second tier cars. And LOL at comparing the GTI with a Mada 3 when over 10K seperates them.

Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Just add him to your list of crazies and move on. Why keep arguing with him?

because I'm right, and he needs validation that VW isn't a shit car brand (which EVERYONE already knows)

Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 10:59 AM

Say it with me now everyone "Crap"

P1 · 08-19-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Have fun with second tier cars. And LOL at comparing the GTI with a Mada 3 when over 10K seperates them.

Volkswagen is a FIRST tier car. Japanese cars are THIRD tier cars. Get your facts straight.

P1 · 08-19-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

because I'm right, and he needs validation that VW isn't a shit car brand (which EVERYONE already knows)

Awww crap. Guess I'll go trade my BMW in for a Buick then. Because as everyone knows, only one thing matter when buying a car. And that's how reliable they are! I'll take a pic when I bring my Regal home.

dreamingat30fps · 08-19-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

But it isn't RWD, which was the main requirements of my purchase. If Honda made a RWD sendan/coupe (read 2+2) I would have been all over it. I'm also a HUGE fan of the G series cars, but I couldn't find a manual in my price range at the time.

I'll just leave this over here...

While I go trade in all my cars for Lexus ESs.

Bobble · 08-19-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

because I'm right, and he needs validation that VW isn't a shit car brand (which EVERYONE already knows)

Manufacturers skew those numbers. How do I know because I worked for 3 auto manufacturers in their IT dept on the warranty side of the house and we sent those numbers in based on what was wanted by the mother ship. And I suppose you believe Consumer Reports is totally unbiased as well?

Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by P1et

Volkswagen is a FIRST tier car. Japanese cars are THIRD tier cars. Get your facts straight.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...st/safety.html

http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/...ison-test.html

If the Japanese are 3rd tier, VW is just bottom of the barrel.

Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobble

Manufacturers skew those numbers. How do I know because I worked for 3 auto manufacturers in their IT dept on the warranty side of the house and we sent those numbers in based on what was wanted by the mother ship. And I suppose you believe Consumer Reports is totally unbiased as well?

How do manufactures skew these (and CRs) numbers when they aren't invited to participate. CR uses data from actual subscribers and doesn't accept advertising money. In fact, CR BUYS all of their cars outright. I'm sure JD actually sends a survey out to new car owners - so where is the skewing.

VW sucks, I don’t know why it’s hard to admit - but let me guess, EVERYONE is against them.

P1 · 08-19-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...st/safety.html

http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/...ison-test.html

If the Japanese are 3rd tier, VW is just bottom of the barrel.

Not sure if you're trolling or not referencing Motor Trend and Edmunds...

jc05e46m3 · 08-19-2014, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

How do manufactures skew these (and CRs) numbers when they aren't invited to participate. CR uses data from actual subscribers and doesn't accept advertising money. In fact, CR BUYS all of their cars outright. I'm sure JD actually sends a survey out to new car owners - so where is the skewing.

VW sucks, I don’t know why it’s hard to admit - but let me guess, EVERYONE is against them.

Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by P1et

Not sure if you're trolling or not referencing Motor Trend and Edmunds...

What else can I do at this point? It's less reliable, doesn't handle as well, it's more expensive. Why would you want a VW?

P1 · 08-19-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...st/safety.html

http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/...ison-test.html

If the Japanese are 3rd tier, VW is just bottom of the barrel.

Here, let me help you out...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-categories/family-hatches

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/Thi...t-2014-06-2014

Oh noez! The Mazda is dead last

and the Golf is NUMBER ONE!!!

P1 · 08-19-2014, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

What else can I do at this point? It's less reliable, doesn't handle as well, it's more expensive. Why would you want a VW?

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/top...-uk-2014-05-30

Hmm. The VAG group is only mentioned 6 times in this top 10 list...

08-19-2014, 10:20 AM	#113
P1 Lieutenant General 11572 Rep 11,136 Posts Drives: 2004 3/4 ton Duramax Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United States iTrader: (1)	vs Who in their right mind would choose a Mazda??? I had one as a rental from Hertz once and even for a rental it was utter garbage.
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08-19-2014, 10:29 AM	#115
Red Bread Major General 4463 Rep 9,160 Posts Drives: Smog machines Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	Just add him to your list of crazies and move on. Why keep arguing with him?
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dreamingat30fps Lieutenant Colonel 5330 Rep 1,912 Posts Drives: Miata, Cayenne, Model 3, F350 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Florida & NC iTrader: (1)	I will admit, the interior of the new Mazda is not bad at all (especially for a Japanese car), but honestly it's because it resembles the new BMW interiors lol. Personally I like the clean sleek lines of the German interiors (except the last gen BMWs don't know what they were thinking) over the high-techy spaceship like interiors the Japanese like to do. Then again my friend (who drives a Prius) thinks the more touch screens the better, irregardless of design. That's why both Japanese and German automakers seem to find someone willing to purchase their vehicles I guess. I have owned several VWs (MKIV Jetta 1.8t, MKV GTI, MKV Jetta, 2011 CC) and can only recall a water pump going bad on my MKV GTI that was replaced under warranty. I also own an EX35 (which is great) that has only had to go into the shop once so far for some $50 part that blew up that I don't recall what it was. However its a 2008 with about 50k miles and the dash is already cracking, I've never had that happen to any car I've ever owned. The most unreliable car I have ever owned to date was my 2009 335i, I couldn't even tell you how many times that thing was at the dealer.
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08-19-2014, 10:49 AM	#118
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08-19-2014, 10:59 AM	#121
Taskmaster Banned 2465 Rep 9,004 Posts Drives: M235i 6MT / E92 328 Msport 6MT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (6)	Say it with me now everyone "Crap"
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