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      02-06-2016, 09:24 AM   #67
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Maybe we're all just misunderstanding your OP. If you were saying that if anything happens to your wife or child you may be so consumed with grief and anger that you could see yourself going batshit crazy. So crazy that you can see yourself beating the person you perceived to be the cause of the harm. That is something that many could identify with, even if they don't think there is a chance of them reacting that way.

But your OP sounded a lot like you'd make a conscious decision to beat someone you perceived to be at fault within seconds of it happening. Judge and Jury type of stuff.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2521130

A crane collapsed in NYC killing a man and injuring 3 others. If one of the injured or killed was your loved one, based on your OP in this thread, i think everyone in this thread expects you to drag the crane operator out of the wreckage and proceed to beat him, maybe to death if no-one attempted to stop you. That's something that's hard to wrap our heads around. But again, if you're just saying that you'd be so hammered by the travesty that you're not sure what you'd do and fear you'd beat the driver/operator to death, i think most can say even though that sounds fucked up, they can understand you feeling that way.

Kind of like the father who shot the drunk driver who rear ended his out of fuel truck while his two sons were pushing it, killing them both. Lots of different opinions on that one and there are sure to be many different opinions about your proposed reaction to an accident which has plenty of blame to go around.

Tragedies happen every day and everyone will react differently to them. A crazy sounding emotional response doesn't mean one is a bad person in the same way that someone with almost no reaction doesn't mean they are soulless and aren't effected by the tragedy.

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The bolded is what I assumed to be true.
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      02-06-2016, 10:00 AM   #68
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Thanks for the support. Well, like I said, we all have an opinion. I do find the bandwagon posts a bit shady. But hey, it's the Internet. Life goes on...
To be honest, I didn't think anything of your response out of the ordinary. Family is family and we protect (the ones with hearts at least) and emotions take over. My initial reaction (had I gone there) would be furious at the guy in the car, because, well I get pissed off at people. Hell I might have even socked him in the face a few times myself.


I just think the people could have made a better decision if they gave some thought about where they were standing. It's unfortunate and I hope the best for everyone. Next time just put a thinking cap on.
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      02-06-2016, 02:06 PM   #69
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The bolded is what I assumed to be true.
That is exactly where I was coming from.
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      02-06-2016, 02:13 PM   #70
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To be honest, I didn't think anything of your response out of the ordinary. Family is family and we protect (the ones with hearts at least) and emotions take over. My initial reaction (had I gone there) would be furious at the guy in the car, because, well I get pissed off at people. Hell I might have even socked him in the face a few times myself.


I just think the people could have made a better decision if they gave some thought about where they were standing. It's unfortunate and I hope the best for everyone. Next time just put a thinking cap on.
Appreciate the support.

Even if and when I disagree with folks online, I don't make it a habit to go dumping or flaming them. For what.
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Appreciate the support.

Even if and when I disagree with folks online, I don't make it a habit to go dumping or flaming them. For what.
You stand your ground as you should, as do I. Some people thought it was an attack against you when it was more of a perspective and assessment issue that I was concerned with.
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      02-06-2016, 06:40 PM   #72
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      02-06-2016, 08:27 PM   #73
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Let me guess; you're also the guy who will take on all of ISIS should they ever show up in America right? haha

Jesus Christ man, it was a closed course and an accident. Relax the tough talk a bit. The blame is completely with the event organizers for apparently using styrofoam barriers. The only way this guy has some fault is if there were some event rules he was breaking. Otherwise, on a closed course you can push a car as hard as you want, within the rules. That's what "closed courses" are for remember!?
I'm sorry but this is untrue.
I am completely unqualified to push a WEC car to it's limit on any closed course. Pushing it as hard as I wanted to do so would be unbelievably stupid. There are quite a few people who drive cars that are way over their heads. In fact this includes most of people who drive any car over 200HP.

Let's be completely realistic...this gentleman is completely unqualified to handle this level of machinery and unless he was on an FIA Grade 1 track, this accident could have happened almost anywhere he decided to play his trade.

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      02-06-2016, 09:19 PM   #74
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I'm sorry but this is untrue.
I am completely unqualified to push a WEC car to it's limit on any closed course. Pushing it as hard as I wanted to do so would be unbelievably stupid. There are quite a few people who drive cars that are way over their heads. In fact this includes most of people who drive any car over 200HP.

Let's be completely realistic...this gentleman is completely unqualified to handle this level of machinery and unless he was on an FIA Grade 1 track, this accident could have happened almost anywhere he decided to play his trade.

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Did you see this post?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=54

With that resume, I don't think you can say he's unqualified.
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      02-06-2016, 09:50 PM   #75
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Enough crying - being ran over by an out of control 918 on a sub-par middle European country race course is as close as some of you and your kids will ever get to the car. Kick ass, kiss ass, blah blah blah. Move on. Let's talk about colored thongs and tanned asses sitting on bike seats with matching colored tires instead.
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      02-06-2016, 10:10 PM   #76
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if this guy lost control of his car doing a burnout at a charity car show I can understand everyone being angry at him. But you don't learn on the street you learn on the track and that is what he was doing. Have any of you who think he is dumb and stupid actually been on a track? My old v10 m6 has been in the grass 3 different times during my track days it happens. If people were standing in the grass I would be in the same shoes as the 918 driver. He was driving his car on a closed track and for whatever reason lost control, But as far as any responsibility for the injuries I just don't see it. He broke no track rules, wasn't like passing late or other reckless on track behavior he simply lost control. Thats why its called an accident not a on purpose
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The other thing is this guy has a ton of experience, he has actually competed and not just go to Car and Coffee like most of us. Ever watch nascar or another motor sports event, there is a crash just about EVERY race with the best of the best behind the wheel. It looked like his back tire got in the dirt and snapped the car into a slide, or maybe a tire popped, who knows but to act like he did something wrong because people got hurt makes no sense
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      02-07-2016, 08:20 AM   #78
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Did you see this post?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=54

With that resume, I don't think you can say he's unqualified.
I can read. With the crash into people I can.

I've managed to do hundreds of laps at International FIA Grade 1 facilities, Grade 2 facilities and local public tracks as well as local and international private tracks. Not once have I crashed into a single person in my 600hp highly modified M6 or anything else I've driven. When non-marshall humans are around on a race track, I slow my butt down.

His resume actually makes it worse. He should have known better. The first thing they talk about to the drivers on tracks is the danger. THE. DANGER. If there are a bunch of civilians out there to see the fast cars go, you don't drive the fast car at it's limit. Sorry. Don't let common sense bother you.
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      02-07-2016, 09:45 AM   #79
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I can read. With the crash into people I can.

I've managed to do hundreds of laps at International FIA Grade 1 facilities, Grade 2 facilities and local public tracks as well as local and international private tracks. Not once have I crashed into a single person in my 600hp highly modified M6 or anything else I've driven. When non-marshall humans are around on a race track, I slow my butt down.

His resume actually makes it worse. He should have known better. The first thing they talk about to the drivers on tracks is the danger. THE. DANGER. If there are a bunch of civilians out there to see the fast cars go, you don't drive the fast car at it's limit. Sorry. Don't let common sense bother you.
Right that's what race car drivers do? Worry about spectators and go half speed? Der uh huh.
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Sad event, no doubt. Why didn't anyone comment on people whistling in the background when the driver gets out of the car is baffling to me?

There were some spectators out there who apparently seemed to be enjoying the moment, HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE??? You feel like punching someone, they would be the first ones on my list.
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I can read. With the crash into people I can.

I've managed to do hundreds of laps at International FIA Grade 1 facilities, Grade 2 facilities and local public tracks as well as local and international private tracks. Not once have I crashed into a single person in my 600hp highly modified M6 or anything else I've driven. When non-marshall humans are around on a race track, I slow my butt down.

His resume actually makes it worse. He should have known better. The first thing they talk about to the drivers on tracks is the danger. THE. DANGER. If there are a bunch of civilians out there to see the fast cars go, you don't drive the fast car at it's limit. Sorry. Don't let common sense bother you.
And I've been on pro tracks too on a S1000RR so I can appreciate how quickly things can go bad without a cage around me. So please don't lecture me about being on a track. Things happen. My comment was in reference to your comment about him being unqualified to drive that car which we have shown he is not. People are making it sound like the guy is some sort of hack that got the car because he has more money than sense.

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Right that's what race car drivers do? Worry about spectators and go half speed? Der uh huh.
Yeah. MKSixer expects this exhibition to be just a stroll through the track. That's what people who attended want to see. A hyper car just cruising along.

I do give MKSixer one thing though. On a sighting lap, I would have been concerned about the safety measures set up by the organizers. But this is all a woulda coulda shoulda. Having a crowd, the adrenaline rush, and sure wanting to show off a little probably overcame his senses on what he should have done. I suspect many here wouldn't be so rational in that situation as I'm sure everyone here has driven their cars at the speed limit.
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Sad event, no doubt. Why didn't anyone comment on people whistling in the background when the driver gets out of the car is baffling to me?

There were some spectators out there who apparently seemed to be enjoying the moment, HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE??? You feel like punching someone, they would be the first ones on my list.
What people do no longer surprises me. This is from observing people's morbid curiosity of when they approach a car wreck. If they are that enthralled with seeing blood, they should just pull over and pull up a chair. My observation as both a layperson driving and a first responder.
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Didn't realize it was the out lap. I've seen several incidents on out laps. Tires are cold and brains and it can happen easily enough. I'm very methodical about taking lap 1 easily and get after it on 2 and 3 as that's where best lap times lay. I did have a good sideways moment once in out lap with wife in the car and made me reestablish my protocol.
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Didn't realize it was the out lap. I've seen several incidents on out laps. Tires are cold and brains and it can happen easily enough. I'm very methodical about taking lap 1 easily and get after it on 2 and 3 as that's where best lap times lay. I did have a good sideways moment once in out lap with wife in the car and made me reestablish my protocol.
I think it was actually his second lap through when it happened. What I meant was when I was out on the sighting lap, I would have questioned how the track was laid out with the spectators that close. Even though I think he crashed on the second lap, I seriously don't think the tires would have warmed up enough by then; especially with the track being as short as it is...relatively speaking.
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I'm sorry but this is untrue.
I am completely unqualified to push a WEC car to it's limit on any closed course. Pushing it as hard as I wanted to do so would be unbelievably stupid. There are quite a few people who drive cars that are way over their heads. In fact this includes most of people who drive any car over 200HP.

Let's be completely realistic...this gentleman is completely unqualified to handle this level of machinery and unless he was on an FIA Grade 1 track, this accident could have happened almost anywhere he decided to play his trade.

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I have no idea who this guy is, but he did his playing in a track. The risk of hurting others is tiny compared to the shit F8x and E9x and E46 and many other generation drivers do daily in the streets.
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If your child were involved, you should be reported to CPS for allowing them to watch a high speed car events with joke barricades.

It's an unfortunate event, but you really can't blame the driver completely. It was on a track that wasn't properly set up for spectators. You can see something like this coming as a spectator, which is why I wouldn't be one.
100% ^^^ agree with that.

thoes barriers are a joke, I think there is a difference between watching a F1/indy500 race and this, not enough run off space and spectators too close.

at least this was racing on a track and not the highway
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I have no idea who this guy is, but he did his playing in a track. The risk of hurting others is tiny compared to the shit F8x and E9x and E46 and many other generation drivers do daily in the streets.
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thank you
Np. It is horrible when people get hurt. His abilities to enter the track was judged by someone and the safety of the track was judged by someone too. Most of us drivers are not given such safe surroundings.
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