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      02-05-2016, 10:17 AM   #23
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I wonder if he will serve any jail time or what the conviction will be. I watched his videos every now and then on the supercardriver channel and he comes off as one of the most arrogant person I ever seen and just because he has a little bit of money and was fortunate to purchase these cars, he qualifies himself as a racing driver.
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I don't "act anything". I simply stated what I would and will do. And I happen to know a thing or two about Civil and Criminal Law. I would be prepared to take my punishment. But that's me. You do you. There are talkers in this world and doers. Trust. I am the latter. Not many parents or humans for that matter would fault me or anyone for their actions against that asshole.
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      02-05-2016, 10:22 AM   #25
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Or just liquidate his car collection and give it to charity.
That's a start. First gotta take care of the 23 victims.
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Sad, truly.

Accidents happen, and some are severe and heartbreaking. I'm sure the guy feels terrible, ideally he would step up and do something for kindness for the families involved (simply because he has the means). This is where the insurance companies ideally step in.

These events are always risky, I've stood track side at Mosport along the back straight where cars are doing over 200 kmh. There is always the risk something could have happened accidentally and all it would take is a bolt flying off and seriously injuring me. People know that going into these events.

We all just hope it never happens to us.

Thoughts and prayers to all the victims of this unfortunate accident.
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      02-05-2016, 10:38 AM   #27
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Let me guess; you're also the guy who will take on all of ISIS should they ever show up in America right? haha

Jesus Christ man, it was a closed course and an accident. Relax the tough talk a bit. The blame is completely with the event organizers for apparently using styrofoam barriers. The only way this guy has some fault is if there were some event rules he was breaking. Otherwise, on a closed course you can push a car as hard as you want, within the rules. That's what "closed courses" are for remember!?
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Ok - I think there is also another lesson here....

Being a spectator at events like this are dangerous. This is true in almost any sport or activity (especially so in car or air events). What about an errant golf ball, or car penetrating the fence at Daytona, etc....

The organizers are most at fault here. Providing a safe mandated viewing distance for the crowd was not a consideration it would appear.

That said - this is an unfortunate incident.
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Some of us will agree to disagree. Not gonna debate my actions and why they would happen. If you are NOT a parent. You wouldn't understand. Event sponsors deserve their wallets to be emptied as well. But driver is CLEARLY out of control and the magistrate ruled HE was the one at fault. As they should.
You have to willingly accept responsibility for your own well being at a lot of racing events, even if a charity or something. There's a degree of risk we all take on when you're at any racing event.

Hell take a look at all the rally races where cars fly over turns into crowds, happens often, but everyone is assuming this risk before going.

Want to have some nice soft hearted safe fun, stay home and have NERF battles with your kids.
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You have to willingly accept responsibility for your own well being at a lot of racing events, even if a charity or something. There's a degree of risk we all take on when you're at any racing event.

Hell take a look at all the rally races where cars fly over turns into crowds, happens often, but everyone is assuming this risk before going.

Want to have some nice soft hearted safe fun, stay home and have NERF battles with your kids.
There is a degree of risk we take by leaving the house each day.

Not a chance in hell i would be standing that close to an open runway while amateurs drive their supercars past me at high speeds.
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Exactly. But who knows... Maybe he would. There is this phenomena known as "fight or flight". I also believe this can be applied to instances like this. Emotions are powerful either way. As a former cop, I've seen it all. Hopefully the families completely bankrupt his sorry ass and he gets imprisoned.
First, thank you for your service as a police officer. Tough job for sure. I cannot imagine what you have seen in the course of your duty, but certainly you have been in situations where, in the heat of the moment, a person involved in an incident wants to take the other guys head off. As an officer, you no doubt did your best to calm that person down and get control of the situation so they don't do something stupid. The posters on this thread that are trying to calm you down and look at that bigger picture that you seem to have quick and witty responses to are doing for you what you were trained as an officer to do. We are not your enemy and this is not a fight. Its real simple. If you assault somebody you go to jail regardless of if they were right or wrong. If you cannot control your temper and act out in revenge, you are wrong.

Using your scenario, if you were there and your child was hurt and you got to this rich bastard and killed him, then what? The then what is you would be in jail. If it happened in your great state of Texas you would be executed in short order. Then, your family would not have you anymore and that would be too bad.
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918 always seem to be in crash videos lol
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First, thank you for your service as a police officer. Tough job for sure. I cannot imagine what you have seen in the course of your duty, but certainly you have been in situations where, in the heat of the moment, a person involved in an incident wants to take the other guys head off. As an officer, you no doubt did your best to calm that person down and get control of the situation so they don't do something stupid. The posters on this thread that are trying to calm you down and look at that bigger picture that you seem to have quick and witty responses to are doing for you what you were trained as an officer to do. We are not your enemy and this is not a fight. Its real simple. If you assault somebody you go to jail regardless of if they were right or wrong. If you cannot control your temper and act out in revenge, you are wrong.

Using your scenario, if you were there and your child was hurt and you got to this rich bastard and killed him, then what? The then what is you would be in jail. If it happened in your great state of Texas you would be executed in short order. Then, your family would not have you anymore and that would be too bad.
Get out of hear with your level headed logic! Next time someone with a flashy expensive car crashes into me and injures a loved one, i'm going to just hop out and beat them to a pulp. I figure since they have more money than most, they've probably got it coming to them anyway.

In this thread i leaned that having a kid makes you emotional and irrational. BUT, on the plus side of that, having a kid also gives you the right to beat people up for their actions whether intentional or not.
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There is a degree of risk we take by leaving the house each day.

Not a chance in hell i would be standing that close to an open runway while amateurs drive their supercars past me at high speeds.
Exactly. It's up to us as individuals to litigate and asses risks in every day life, and an event like this with poor planning falls on both spectators (not noticing the risks yet still attending), as well as the planners for not creating a safer environment.

It may not have been bound to end bad, but with everything lined up the way it did, it's no surprise people got hurt.
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918 always seem to be in crash videos lol
Too much power in the wrong hands is a lethal weapon.


It'd be like giving someone an AR-15 who's never even held a gun before and letting them just go at it. There's likely to be a lot of problems. Same thing with a car with that kind of power and an untrained driver behind the wheel.
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Lol, I don't think he was expecting this result from this post....
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From looking at his "performance" at the end of this video >04:00... you can see by his steering inputs, that he isn't looking as far ahead as he should be.

My symphony to the victims of this crash.
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Ok - I think there is also another lesson here....

Being a spectator at events like this are dangerous. This is true in almost any sport or activity (especially so in car or air events). What about an errant golf ball, or car penetrating the fence at Daytona, etc....

The organizers are most at fault here. Providing a safe mandated viewing distance for the crowd was not a consideration it would appear.

That said - this is an unfortunate incident.
This. It's totally absurd how the organizers set up where the spectators were allowed to stand next to the track. All of the tracks I've been to have a much greater distance between spectator and track along with big beefy concrete barriers and high fencing to mitigate contact by flying debris.

Those plastic "bump" stops are not going to stop any vehicle going at speed.

This is a tragic event and I'm sure the driver of the car is torn up over this. I'm also sure over the course of the coming months and probably years, he's going to be dealing with the fall out from this in the form of law suits not to mention probably having nightmares about what happened. This is not to diminish the suffering from the victims of the crash. But I feel the organizers are the real people responsible for what happened.
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Lol, I don't think he was expecting this result from this post....
You mean eye for an eye mentality??
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Lol, I don't think he was expecting this result from this post....
How dare us challenge his mindset. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for not wanting to beat the drivers ass.
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Shit happens to professional drivers so blaming him for not knowing how to drive is retarded. It's obvious that the guy tried to keep it safe by actually going on a closed circuit to do what he did. Track safety management is at fault. There needs to be some concrete barriers between spectators and the track. I'm sure the poor guy feels like shit.
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Exactly. It's up to us as individuals to litigate and asses risks in every day life, and an event like this with poor planning falls on both spectators (not noticing the risks yet still attending), as well as the planners for not creating a safer environment.
When I first saw the video I thought "oh, he'll just hit the barrier." I didn't realize they were plastic and not concrete or at least filled with something. The appearance of safety is not safety. I would not expect a casual spectator to inspect the barrier's suitability and so I can't fault them. Perhaps it was more obvious if you were at the event, but as mentioned above, those barriers were a joke and that's on the event organizer. Poor course design (where the turns are located) and worthless barriers in front of the crowd.
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