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      05-02-2015, 11:12 AM   #45
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BMW not understand why, even not decide to build the M7? Rivals the S8 and S-Class AMG..
They have 15 years offering customers who want superfast limousines!

M7 to production!, M7 to production! , M7 to production!, M7 to production!!!
They already have a super fast limousine. Alpina B7 long wheelbase F02. This is BMW's offering to compete with S8 and S63 AMG. I personally would love to see an M7, just don't think it will ever happen.
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Diesel makes more sense especially when you will have an Alpina B7.
In Europe more people buy the 750d than the 750i.
Combine both with M and you get the worlds first Diesel performance luxury car.
Nope.

There is a reason why the V12 Petrol engine (BMW N74) has more torque than any of the diesel engines in the F01/F02 lineup.

And for full-fledged M-cars, diesel is not yet there. Sure for M Performance models it could work (M550d, X5 M50d, etc.) but for full-M cars, not so much...
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Nope.

There is a reason why the V12 Petrol engine (BMW N74) has more torque than any of the diesel engines in the F01/F02 lineup.

And for full-fledged M-cars, diesel is not yet there. Sure for M Performance models it could work (M550d, X5 M50d, etc.) but for full-M cars, not so much...
What do you think this 7er will be but an M Performance model.
For high performance there is the Alpina B7 which will come later next year.
The reason why a B6 Gran Coupe is here is to provide sales sustainability until the next 7er especially in the US. As when the B7 ends production Alpina will not have anything to offer US customers.
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And it could be a Diesel.
Isn't that trend reversing?

Also- clearly we've reached the top of the BMW bull market we're in. This is, at best, a low volume albatross (maybe Phaeton?). Between the M5 and X5/6M how many luxo-M buyers are left? It's sad, really, as the the development money wasted here could go toward making series BMWs better cars.

BMW built its brand from the bottom up. Best performance cars in the price range (and often better than price ranges above). Now enthusiasts cling to sub brands (i and M) while series cars are stay afloat on lofty residuals...
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Nope.

There is a reason why the V12 Petrol engine (BMW N74) has more torque than any of the diesel engines in the F01/F02 lineup.

And for full-fledged M-cars, diesel is not yet there. Sure for M Performance models it could work (M550d, X5 M50d, etc.) but for full-M cars, not so much...
What do you think this 7er will be but an M Performance model.
For high performance there is the Alpina B7 which will come later next year.
The reason why a B6 Gran Coupe is here is to provide sales sustainability until the next 7er especially in the US. As when the B7 ends production Alpina will not have anything to offer US customers.
It's logical to offer the tri turbo diesel in the 7 if it's available in the 5. About the only exciting thing to look forward to for a while if all those other models are cancelled.
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What do you think this 7er will be but an M Performance model.
For high performance there is the Alpina B7 which will come later next year.
The reason why a B6 Gran Coupe is here is to provide sales sustainability until the next 7er especially in the US. As when the B7 ends production Alpina will not have anything to offer US customers.
So it's going to be an M770d instead of an M7?
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So it's going to be an M770d instead of an M7?
There won't be a 770 anything. The flagship is the BMW 760Li.
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What do you think this 7er will be but an M Performance model.
For high performance there is the Alpina B7 which will come later next year.
The reason why a B6 Gran Coupe is here is to provide sales sustainability until the next 7er especially in the US. As when the B7 ends production Alpina will not have anything to offer US customers.
From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't an M7 make sense for the very important US, Chinese, and Middle Eastern markets where these cars would sell like hotcakes? I understand the M performance 7er with a diesel making complete sense for Europe.

Since the new G20 makes extensive use of CFRP, this could be further implemented by the ///M boys making an awesome and light super limousine.
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There won't be a 770 anything. The flagship is the BMW 760Li.
So then is this car an M760d or an M7?
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S63 AMG and S8 both exist. An M7 just makes sense in regard to having an answer for those, but it does seem a bit niche.
Remember there is the S65 AMG as well. I don't see M Division trying to outmuscle AMG, the higher ups at BMW AG probably wouldn't allow it. But, if they make the theoretical M7 lighter using more carbon fiber, and market it as the first large luxury sedan with extensive use of carbon fiber, they may be able take a good chunk of sales from AMG.
After all, who wouldn't want the cache of having the first M7, which is lighter the competition, which means, more agile, more responsive, and gets better gas mileage?
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Nope.

There is a reason why the V12 Petrol engine (BMW N74) has more torque than any of the diesel engines in the F01/F02 lineup.

And for full-fledged M-cars, diesel is not yet there. Sure for M Performance models it could work (M550d, X5 M50d, etc.) but for full-M cars, not so much...
in BMW's case...yes but you see their V12 lacks torque (for a bi turbo 6.0 engine) compared to for example a 15 year old w220 S600 which is a 5,5l that boosts 800Nm of torque , and the 65 version with 1000Nm of torque which mind you to this day bmw has not reached those numbers , at least not on paper. Mind you that bmw lost the so called hp war in eraly 2000's when Merc launched new sl600 , 65amg , but even before they had SL73AMG (two decades ago in 1995) that punched 532hp at that time those were simply mindblowing numbers in a hypercar territory. for example thats like today having a bmw M10 with a stock 1450hp.

Have in mind though that the 50d engine is only 10Nm short of V12's 750Nm , basically there is no difference in power delivery except for top speed when removed limiter , which you rarely ever ever do , except if you live near the autobahn , which most of people here do not. It'a almost unfair to compare these two but look how much power this 3.0tri turbo punches , a lot!

There is also a serious piece of work in audi , it's called Q7 V12 TDi , this beast makes 1000Nm of torque and has 500hp and it's a big big 5,9l IMO this engine makes more sense than a W12 6.3 in A8 , it's much more smoother and drives like a freight train , simply put it this way-more torque = more relaxed and more fun at overtaking...But thats audi , and they can obviously do and make whatever they want.

Im bored right now and pissed off because bmw can do better but doesn't , they should be at the very top competing with Panamera's and Quattroporte's and Rapide's not audi and Mb who btw have way more distinguished models imho than bmw past present future.

2 series at&gt make sense in a certain market for a certain group of people but hey so does b class for quite some time now , why does it take them so much years to figure out these things? Why not have a proper S coupe rival? why not have a proper super hyper uber duber whatever amg sls slr competitor? Why not have a proper full size 7 seater , many people do need these things with a premium badge! Why not make an M7 or 775i or whatever already? Is the new 5 series going to be just an L version of the XL version they call a 7 series? I wonder...why don't they go radical and make a car like the VFL and call it a 7 series , like they did with the i8 - who looks like a concept car from a year 2071 , unbelievable its just shows you that they can do things when they want.
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There won't be an M770i because the V12 is a 760i and it doesn't make sense to have 770 which is a V8.

There will most likely be an M750i or M755i and it will be an M-Performance automobile - probably with an S63 engine and a weight close to that of the current M5 (thanks to carbon fiber).

The M750i car will likely offer a 0-60 time of 3.7-3.9 seconds.

If there is an M7 it will either be a tuned up version of the M750i or it will be a V12.
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Diesel makes more sense especially when you will have an Alpina B7.
In Europe more people buy the 750d than the 750i.
Combine both with M and you get the worlds first Diesel performance luxury car.
do you actually believe this stuff or do they make you say it ?
Hilarious! Take note Scott26 - if you aren't genuine, folks, especially enthusiasts, are going to see through that. Understand its your job to defend and market BMW, but a successful social evangelist always needs to be genuine and most importantly, not assume that customers are stupid.
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And it could be a Diesel.
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Diesel makes more sense especially when you will have an Alpina B7.
In Europe more people buy the 750d than the 750i.
Combine both with M and you get the worlds first Diesel performance luxury car.



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They already have a super fast limousine. Alpina B7 long wheelbase F02. This is BMW's offering to compete with S8 and S63 AMG. I personally would love to see an M7, just don't think it will ever happen.
Alpina B7 is not an M7 after all...
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If you are buying an M7 I doubt you care about the cost of gas.
That's true. What it comes down to is meeting regulatory requirements measured by miles per gallon and not miles per dollar.
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And it could be a Diesel.
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Diesel makes more sense especially when you will have an Alpina B7.
In Europe more people buy the 750d than the 750i.
Combine both with M and you get the worlds first Diesel performance luxury car.



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They already have a super fast limousine. Alpina B7 long wheelbase F02. This is BMW's offering to compete with S8 and S63 AMG. I personally would love to see an M7, just don't think it will ever happen.
Alpina B7 is not an M7 after all...
You are correct, No it's not an M. Alpina offerings have a completely different approach and philosophy to performance than the BMW M division. However that doesn't change the fact that when you look at the Merc S63 and Audi S8, the BMW vehicle playing in that category is the Alpina B7. This is the high performance version of that class from BMW.
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petrol only please!
Diesel makes more sense especially when you will have an Alpina B7.
In Europe more people buy the 750d than the 750i.
Combine both with M and you get the worlds first Diesel performance luxury car.
This is a joke! The M550d is slower than the 550i in independent instrumented tests.

Putting an M badge on that engine is pathetic and if you do it then not only will I not but this car, buy I will probably just go and buy a Mercedes S63 instead.
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There won't be an M770i because the V12 is a 760i and it doesn't make sense to have 770 which is a V8.

There will most likely be an M750i or M755i and it will be an M-Performance automobile - probably with an S63 engine and a weight close to that of the current M5 (thanks to carbon fiber).

The M750i car will likely offer a 0-60 time of 3.7-3.9 seconds.

If there is an M7 it will either be a tuned up version of the M750i or it will be a V12.
^^^
Yup this post seems logical.

Either way, we'll see how it goes

At least we can have enough of this lousy Alpina bullshit that thinks it can hold a candle against full AMG and Audi S/RS models xD
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