[Riky]

Me too. Really curious about it.

[Em135eye]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

If you can afford to buy a car having never even test driven it... you can afford to just get the S.

Did this with a 335d and our T6 VW California; the former simply wasn't available to test so bought it remotely, the latter is just out so couldn't test it; it arrives in about a week.

Doesn't mean I have any more money though!

That aside, I'm VERY excited about this car; could be a pivotal model.

[socal619]

I will try convince wifey to upgrade her 2013 prius for the model 3 lol... or get cert model s w/ a 7 seater... 90D... we see how wifey will say lol...

[Duncanp64]

I love it actually - wish I had money

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

This. I stood in line for 2 1/2 hours and I was about the 150th person. I mean seriously, if I get the tax credit in CA it would be $10,000 dollars. That would make the base model about $25,000. That is a lot of car for $25,000., think of it as a commuter for car pool lanes. It will supposedly have a 10 year unlimited mileage drive train warranty! Drive the thing for 300,000 miles!

This. The tax credit is a good benefit. Might end up with 2 cars: a commuter and a track toy.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

If you haven't pre-ordered as of yet, you're pretty much guaranteed to have your delivery done after 2020.

So probably are the people who did drop $1K for a pre-order spot

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

This. I stood in line for 2 1/2 hours and I was about the 150th person. I mean seriously, if I get the tax credit in CA it would be $10,000 dollars. That would make the base model about $25,000. That is a lot of car for $25,000., think of it as a commuter for car pool lanes. It will supposedly have a 10 year unlimited mileage drive train warranty! Drive the thing for 300,000 miles!

What is the source of that quote? Interesting....

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Just discovered the trunk access sucks
They have a tiny trunk its not a true hatchback
this cuts down on the utility a lot for things like
bikes and surfboards, and larger objects.
Hope they have a hatch version like the model S.

You guys who don't live the zero emission lifestyle don't get it.

I'm willing to bet that over 90% of the people who put deposit down are in the top 10% of the wage bracket, if not the top 5. There's a study out by the government that says something to that effect, that more than 90% of people who applied for the $7,500 tax credit earn more than $120,000 per year.

None of these guys have a Tesla as their only car. All of my friends that own Teslas have at least 3 cars in their garage. Heck most of the pure electric car owners I know, even the lowly Leaf, Volt, or Fiat 500e all have at least 2 more cars in their garage. The lack of infrastructure right now doesn't impact EV owners like you all think it does. Need to make a 200+ mile trip? I take my 335D or cash in my rental car credit with Fiat.

And WORST case scenario? I call roadside assist and get towed to the nearest dealership, which always have at least a level 2. Heck for several month I managed a commute to work that exceeded my range. I plug in a level 1 when I get to work on a 120V wall outlet and by the time I leave work I'm good.

The only REAL drawback to EV is that it is DIFFERENT than how we've been driving for the last 100 years. It's not more inconvenient than driving a gas engine.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by The HACK

You guys who don't live the zero emission lifestyle don't get it.

I'm willing to bet that over 90% of the people who put deposit down are in the top 10% of the wage bracket, if not the top 5. There's a study out by the government that says something to that effect, that more than 90% of people who applied for the $7,500 tax credit earn more than $120,000 per year.

None of these guys have a Tesla as their only car. All of my friends that own Teslas have at least 3 cars in their garage. Heck most of the pure electric car owners I know, even the lowly Leaf, Volt, or Fiat 500e all have at least 2 more cars in their garage. The lack of infrastructure right now doesn't impact EV owners like you all think it does. Need to make a 200+ mile trip? I take my 335D or cash in my rental car credit with Fiat.

And WORST case scenario? I call roadside assist and get towed to the nearest dealership, which always have at least a level 2. Heck for several month I managed a commute to work that exceeded my range. I plug in a level 1 when I get to work on a 120V wall outlet and by the time I leave work I'm good.

The only REAL drawback to EV is that it is DIFFERENT than how we've been driving for the last 100 years. It's not more inconvenient than driving a gas engine.

No one lives a zero-emissions lifestyle... Every time you fart or breathe you create greenhouse gasses.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

No one lives a zero-emissions lifestyle... Every time you fart or breathe you create greenhouse gasses.

And all electric vehicles create equivalent emissions to fueled vehicles, displaced so as to add to that suffered by those without sufficient socioeconomic power to avoid the burden.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

What is the source of that quote? Interesting....

I was at the Geneva Motor Show talking to a Tesla representative, he said that Tesla is offering that warranty on the S and that it would be carried over to the Model 3. You prompted me to do a search, I found this blog post from Tesla, but it is old, it states 8 years unlimited mileage warranty. https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/infinite-mile-warranty

[dragonsi]

My brother put a deposit down, and he surprised me by putting one down for me too!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by The HACK

You guys who don't live the zero emission lifestyle don't get it.

I'm willing to bet that over 90% of the people who put deposit down are in the top 10% of the wage bracket, if not the top 5. There's a study out by the government that says something to that effect, that more than 90% of people who applied for the $7,500 tax credit earn more than $120,000 per year.

None of these guys have a Tesla as their only car. All of my friends that own Teslas have at least 3 cars in their garage. Heck most of the pure electric car owners I know, even the lowly Leaf, Volt, or Fiat 500e all have at least 2 more cars in their garage. The lack of infrastructure right now doesn't impact EV owners like you all think it does. Need to make a 200+ mile trip? I take my 335D or cash in my rental car credit with Fiat.

And WORST case scenario? I call roadside assist and get towed to the nearest dealership, which always have at least a level 2. Heck for several month I managed a commute to work that exceeded my range. I plug in a level 1 when I get to work on a 120V wall outlet and by the time I leave work I'm good.

The only REAL drawback to EV is that it is DIFFERENT than how we've been driving for the last 100 years. It's not more inconvenient than driving a gas engine.

If that were true EVs wouldn't be just 1% of the market. In selected situations EVs work for some people, but in general, they are more inconvenient than driving a gas engine.

[ctuna]

If you stay in range don't see how they could be more inconvient.
No stopping at a gas station no maintenance except for tires and
brakes.
I have to agree that this price still appeals to the upper 10 percent
but the average nice car is about 30k now.

[zer0cool]

I put in an order on Thursday. I think this car will be superior to the BMW 3 series when our BMW's lease ends. I already own a Model S and never really thought I would get another EV... but I think this car will perform really well, and the tech is light years ahead of any competition (even if it has just the current Model S tech, it would be far superior to a 3 series; and if they actually have a 2nd gen autopilot with this car, then all other cars are toast).

I am not at all an environmentalist or green person. I buy the best car that fits my need (great performance, driving dynamics, with great technology) and budget. The Model S is that car right now. The Model 3 is looking more and more to be another such car.

I guess we are a family moving from one brand to another... Before Tesla, we thought we were BMWers for life. Then last year, I moved from BMW to Tesla, and maybe she will too in 2 to 3 years.

[JohnnyCanuck]

Originally Posted by The HACK

You guys who don't live the zero emission lifestyle don't get it.

There's nothing zero emissions about a Tesla or any other EV. Production creates emissions, battery production creates emissions, and (depending where you live) electricity production creates emissions. If you live in an area where electricity is provided by hydro, building that dam certainly created emissions and when you measure habitat destruction it can be anything but environmentally friendly.

In other words, while there is certainly merit to an argument about the overall environmental cost of an EV vs. internal combustion .. don't delude yourself ... Elon Musk is causing environmental damage too!

[Efthreeoh]

EVs are highly efficient converting stored energy to kinetic energy; the problem is they just don't carry much of it around.

[pz619]

I am on the fence but my parents just made the jump. We will see how I feel in the coming months. I love BMW but can't help but feel disappointed that they have nothing that really competes. To me, this is future. I love gas motors but am excited about where things are going. If I decide to go electric (50-50) then I will have to leave BMW.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by justpete

And all electric vehicles create equivalent emissions to fueled vehicles, displaced so as to add to that suffered by those without sufficient socioeconomic power to avoid the burden.

No way, it's more efficient to burn fossil fuel at a jet-turbine power plant (increasingly popular and in place in urban areas, we have several) that is over 65% thermal efficiency, then beam it to your car. The combustion engine is inherently going to have more emissions, because it's nowhere near as efficient and has to burn more carbon fuels to get the same. That doesn't even account for when your energy comes from a source like hydroelectric, tides, geothermal, solar, etc.

You really just don't get it...

[justpete]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

No way, it's more efficient to burn fossil fuel at a jet-turbine power plant (increasingly popular and in place in urban areas, we have several) that is over 65% thermal efficiency, then beam it to your car. The combustion engine is inherently going to have more emissions, because it's nowhere near as efficient and has to burn more carbon fuels to get the same. That doesn't even account for when your energy comes from a source like hydroelectric, tides, geothermal, solar, etc.

You really just don't get it...

LOL

Yeah, power transmission is completely lossless, batteries charge and discharge without capacity loss, etc.

Keep telling yourself that, the rest of us with actual engineering degrees will continue to roll our eyes.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by justpete

LOL

Yeah, power transmission is completely lossless, batteries charge and discharge without capacity loss, etc.

Never claimed it was lossless, but it's STILL more efficient to do all that I just explained, than burn fossil fuel in a combustion engine in your car.

Gas turbines can be particularly efficient—up to at least 60%—when waste heat from the turbine is recovered by a heat recovery steam generator to power a conventional steam turbine in a combined cycle configuration.[27][28] They can also be run in a cogeneration configuration: the exhaust is used for space or water heating, or drives an absorption chiller for cooling the inlet air and increase the power output, technology known as Turbine Inlet Air Cooling.

Like I said, you just don't get it.

[zer0cool]

I really don't care about all the green or efficiency talk. I am not a green or environmental person, although of course I would like there to be less pollution. Anyways, the question is - is this a better car? If yes, then buy it.

It's looking clearly to be the better car compared to the 3 series. I think superior to any competitor car; likely with amazing real world performance, dynamics, and overwhelmingly superior technology, and unrivaled cool factor.

The most efficient and clean form of energy generation is nuclear, but people have an irrational fear about it. Whatever, however we get our energy, I just want the best car, and this looks increasingly to be it.

Glad to have a place in line and looking forward to driving it, hopefully in 2018.