Chris Harris - can he actually drive a corner without throwing out the ass?

bimmer456 · 12-21-2017, 03:00 AM

In every video he throws out the ass and shows he can drift, but we all know that is not the fastest way around a corner. Is he actually capable of taking the corner properly or is he so used to throwing out the ass in every video that's all he knows at this point lol.

RABAUKE · 12-21-2017, 04:02 AM

It's funny you should say this, I was watching a Chris Harris video the other day and was wondering the same thing. He was driving he AMG GTs, and then watched Clarkson driving the same car and he was going on about how well it handled for an AMG and did very little driving. He actually said that it was the first AMG he'd driven and only used one set of tires. I suspect that the audience wants to see tires get shredded.

GotE46M · 12-21-2017, 04:45 AM

Did Chris Harris participate in a few racing events? I thought so seeing his IG posts.

aaaaah · 12-21-2017, 05:07 AM

He regularly takes part in motor racing events particularly endurance racing so I'd say he's pretty sharp.

Big slides make for fun films and it shows in his enjoyment so that's why he does it.

overcoil · 12-21-2017, 07:22 AM

Powerslide versus fastest cornering speed - I always wonder how fast they're cornering in Harris's vids because they do a lot of filming techniques that accentuate the speed. I like fast corners with a little four wheel drift.

In this video at the 4:40 minute mark

that's my expectation of maximum cornering speed and recovery (to some extent).

Now in this video with no guardrail and plenty of runoff at the 2:25 minute mark

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It's great cornering but look how much time and how many correction.

RABAUKE · 12-21-2017, 07:56 AM

I watched the first episode of Drive this morning, Chris Harris is in the McLaren P1 at Abu Dabi. He does the usual drifting but near the end when the hosts are debriefing the episode he admits that the car is meant to go around corners without drifting and that the engineers cringe but the drifting shots sells cars.

BimmerAg · 12-21-2017, 08:59 AM

Yes he's actually a very good driver, and has raced in the 24hrs of the Nurburgring

Viffermike · 12-21-2017, 10:04 AM

The OP's comment is akin to asking Giancarlo Stanton if all he can do is hit home runs 450 feet. Or David Beckham if all he can do is bend a ball into an upper corner. Or LeBron James if all he can do is dunk.

Come on. Do research. Find out yourself. Or, if your aim is to be snarky for snark's sake, at least endeavor to do a better snark job. It's an art.

doogee · 12-21-2017, 10:22 AM

People want to see powersliding and drifting in videos, not a car going around a corner.

Of course he's a very capable driver.

MadOzodi · 12-21-2017, 10:22 AM

I want to be Chris Harris.

stevenvillatoro · 12-21-2017, 11:45 AM

Harris has quipped about his drift-aholism being for video appeal. Others are correct on this point. He's a sharp guy who searches for unique and thought-provoking story angles, and then spices them with some fine banter.

GeorgeA · 12-21-2017, 11:50 AM

Yes, most people that have his drifting skills can take corners quickly too. He slides cars because not only is it appealing to watch, but also very good fun.

MightyMouseTech · 12-21-2017, 11:52 AM

Blame the idiots that want to see cars drifting, not the driver.

overcoil · 12-21-2017, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

The OP's comment is akin to asking Giancarlo Stanton if all he can do is hit home runs 450 feet. Or David Beckham if all he can do is bend a ball into an upper corner. Or LeBron James if all he can do is dunk.

Come on. Do research. Find out yourself. Or, if your aim is to be snarky for snark's sake, at least endeavor to do a better snark job. It's an art.

I disagree, watch top drivers push road cars: Damon Hill in the Mercedes SL, Jacque Lafitte in a BMW M3 - they may oversteer but they're not power sliding and it's amazing to watch.
All I'm saying, is that hitting turns at the limits of what a car is capable of is amazing to watch. Watch those videos from Saudi Arabia where they have incredible car control.
Really are very few exceptional car review videos where the journalist post awesome cornering or car control. Randy Pobst doing fast laps is one of the few but his video's quality are mediocre.

Red Bread · 12-21-2017, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viffermike

The OP's comment is akin to asking Giancarlo Stanton if all he can do is hit home runs 450 feet. Or David Beckham if all he can do is bend a ball into an upper corner. Or LeBron James if all he can do is dunk.

Come on. Do research. Find out yourself. Or, if your aim is to be snarky for snark's sake, at least endeavor to do a better snark job. It's an art.

I disagree, watch top drivers push road cars: Damon Hill in the Mercedes SL, Jacque Lafitte in a BMW M3 - they may oversteer but they're not power sliding and it's amazing to watch.
All I'm saying, is that hitting turns at the limits of what a car is capable of is amazing to watch. Watch those videos from Saudi Arabia where they have incredible car control.
Really are very few exceptional car review videos where the journalist post awesome cornering or car control. Randy Pobst doing fast laps is one of the few but his video's quality are mediocre.

Think of the contrast of the Stig vs Clarkson. One made for automotive television my wife would watch, one made for fast lap times. Harris is just doing what's needed to keep the lay audience interested, it's part of the game. If he drove "correctly" many of the non track hounds would just turn it off.

Viffermike · 12-21-2017, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

I disagree, watch top drivers push road cars: Damon Hill in the Mercedes SL, Jacque Lafitte in a BMW M3 - they may oversteer but they're not power sliding and it's amazing to watch.
All I'm saying, is that hitting turns at the limits of what a car is capable of is amazing to watch. Watch those videos from Saudi Arabia where they have incredible car control.
Really are very few exceptional car review videos where the journalist post awesome cornering or car control. Randy Pobst doing fast laps is one of the few but his video's quality are mediocre.

I make the comparisons because drifting is a highlight skill that speaks little about the overall capabilities of the person executing the highlight.

The OP's question asks if Chris Harris can actually take corners properly and drive fast. He can, and well -- and all three analogies I make above are of players who are extremely capable overall in their disciplines, not just so-called 'one-trick ponies' like these from the above sports:

Home runs: Jose Canseco
Scoring goals from set pieces: Juninho (Pernambucano)
Dunking: Shaquille O'Neal

overcoil · 12-21-2017, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viffermike

I make the comparisons because drifting is a highlight skill that speaks little about the overall capabilities of the person executing the highlight.

The OP's question asks if Chris Harris can actually take corners properly and drive fast. He can, and well -- and all three analogies I make above are of players who are extremely capable overall in their disciplines, not just so-called 'one-trick ponies' like these from the above sports:

Home runs: Jose Canseco
Scoring goals from set pieces: Juninho (Pernambucano)
Dunking: Shaquille O'Neal

Yeah, Red Bread above presented your position in a way I could understand, I'm a bit dense. Also jealous as all that Harris gets to drive the greatest cars in the world.

radiantm3 · 12-21-2017, 02:20 PM

Sliding a car around a corner says a lot about how balanced a car is at/over the limits. Pretty sure it's part of his litmus test. Oh and it looks awesome too.

tock172 · 12-24-2017, 06:08 PM

Yes, he can take a car around a track without breaking the rears loose.

Here he is taking a Ferrari 250 LM through its paces at this year's Goodwood Revival.

1MOREMOD · 12-24-2017, 07:02 PM

Not a cheap car

GeorgeA · 12-24-2017, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Blame the idiots that want to see cars drifting, not the driver.

What’s wrong with watching cars drift? In some places, it is actually the fastest way around a corner, have you watched any WRC rounds?

tdott · 12-24-2017, 07:32 PM

His reviews are actually entertaining. There is a video of him in a 4 series I thinks were he tries to not drift it but then it got so boring he had to drift it.

I respect his opinion of a car more than those pansy ass, Brown nose reviewers that say the same shit over and over.

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bimmer456 Major General 2971 Rep 6,006 Posts Drives: 340i Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Pasadena, CA iTrader: (0)	Chris Harris - can he actually drive a corner without throwing out the ass? In every video he throws out the ass and shows he can drift, but we all know that is not the fastest way around a corner. Is he actually capable of taking the corner properly or is he so used to throwing out the ass in every video that's all he knows at this point lol.
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RABAUKE Banned 4658 Rep 1,395 Posts Drives: Porsche 993, 2014 MB GLK Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: The Golden Horseshoe, Ontario iTrader: (0)	It's funny you should say this, I was watching a Chris Harris video the other day and was wondering the same thing. He was driving he AMG GTs, and then watched Clarkson driving the same car and he was going on about how well it handled for an AMG and did very little driving. He actually said that it was the first AMG he'd driven and only used one set of tires. I suspect that the audience wants to see tires get shredded.
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overcoil Major General 3076 Rep 5,577 Posts Drives: M235i 6spd Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Mid-Atlantic iTrader: (0)	Powerslide versus fastest cornering speed - I always wonder how fast they're cornering in Harris's vids because they do a lot of filming techniques that accentuate the speed. I like fast corners with a little four wheel drift. In this video at the 4:40 minute mark that's my expectation of maximum cornering speed and recovery (to some extent). Now in this video with no guardrail and plenty of runoff at the 2:25 minute mark . It's great cornering but look how much time and how many correction.
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RABAUKE Banned 4658 Rep 1,395 Posts Drives: Porsche 993, 2014 MB GLK Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: The Golden Horseshoe, Ontario iTrader: (0)	I watched the first episode of Drive this morning, Chris Harris is in the McLaren P1 at Abu Dabi. He does the usual drifting but near the end when the hosts are debriefing the episode he admits that the car is meant to go around corners without drifting and that the engineers cringe but the drifting shots sells cars.
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GeorgeA Major 758 Rep 1,408 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (3)	Yes, most people that have his drifting skills can take corners quickly too. He slides cars because not only is it appealing to watch, but also very good fun.
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