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      07-16-2012, 05:16 PM   #23
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There is no way in hell a 475hp 7-series can compete with S AMGs. Plus, 475hp is far too close to the standard 750i's 460hp.
It depends on how much weight they can shave off the 7er. From a performance standpoint, you would rather have a lighter car with lower HP but better weight /power ratio, than a heavier car with high hp.

From a marketing perspective--more hp/tq sells cars. So in comparison to an S-class AMG, the new 7er may be a fail.
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      07-16-2012, 05:55 PM   #24
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boy BMW's marketing team is really shooting themselves in the foot and they probably don't even realize it. The M brand used to mean the best of the best, by making an M770i, why would anyone buy the more expensive M5 or M6 GC. Most of the people who can afford these cars buy it for the prestige not for the performance. So why spend more, when you can spend less and still tell your buds you have an ///M?

Why not just call it a 740is? Don't even get me started on the whole sDrive xDrive non-sense. Have they completely lost it?

I've bought nothing but BMWs my whole life, but all of a sudden the Audi S and RS brand are looking quite appealing. I'll give up RWD, if it means I can have a real sports car.
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      07-16-2012, 06:18 PM   #25
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How can they keep reducing the CC and this time even increasing the model number.
They need to call the 760i (w/ TT 6.0W12) M799i or something.
Actually it should no longer exist as it violates BMW values of thriftiness and not giving you anything.
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      07-16-2012, 06:32 PM   #26
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i think bmw will fall like apple did/ is doing. apple changed alot after mr.jobs passed away, and imo bmw started to make showoff cars instead of "ultimate driving machine"s. all those fake m models are what the forum hate, m badged normal cars just to show off.

edit: also im not saying this because of "purism" or any kinda stuff, im just saying it since i feel that way. hell, if i were a purist, why would i be driving a 116i right?
Apple is still breaking revenue records quarter after quarter so apparently the world disagrees with you on apple products.

As for BMW M Performance cars, I won't pass judgment until I've driven one. But you have already apparently?

Can't stand these end of the world sky is falling overreactions sorry.
Breaking revenue records is not an indication that apple is the company that it used to be. Been in an apple store lately? The experience is a nightmare. Oh you don't have a reservation? You can wait for 2-3 hours then for all those people who signed up online but didn't show up. They get that priority spot and I'm walking out the door. Also have you noticed the competence/enthusiasm of apple employees compared to 4 years ago? Night and day. There is one 'genius' for 27 idiots that now nothing more than the average user. The genius is in such demand he doesn't care to listen to you anymore anyway all he is trying to do is get you to buy something and get out. Also the revolutionary stuff that apple has made a name for themselves with simply is falling short with each new unveiling. The new MacBook pro is sweet I'll give them that but just cause something's a little faster and a little lighter doesn't mean it's revolutionizing the game like the products they used to make. Hell, I never notice 'faster' anyway because everything I do relies on the Internet and that's my connection speed not my device.

Record profits means that we have jumped on the band wagon and rely on these products so heavily. Are they better than the rest of the products out there? Yes. Is apple the same product that you got excited about and liked going into the store because of the enthusiastic individuals who knew their product and got excited to show you some new thing that the new iPhone had? No. That is dead.

I tried to write this with that dumb bitc* Siri and I got to the second sentence before I cursed her out and gave up. Flame on ya ya I know there's a million defenders but I was just looking for a place to vent. If no one agrees with me oh well but shoot I hope I made some sense to some people.

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i think bmw will fall like apple did/ is doing. apple changed alot after mr.jobs passed away, and imo bmw started to make showoff cars instead of "ultimate driving machine"s. all those fake m models are what the forum hate, m badged normal cars just to show off.

edit: also im not saying this because of "purism" or any kinda stuff, im just saying it since i feel that way. hell, if i were a purist, why would i be driving a 116i right?
Apple is still breaking revenue records quarter after quarter so apparently the world disagrees with you on apple products.

As for BMW M Performance cars, I won't pass judgment until I've driven one. But you have already apparently?

Can't stand these end of the world sky is falling overreactions sorry.
Breaking revenue records is not an indication that apple is the company that it used to be. Been in an apple store lately? The experience is a nightmare. Oh you don't have a reservation? You can wait for 2-3 hours then for all those people who signed up online but didn't show up. They get that priority spot and I'm walking out the door. Also have you noticed the competence/enthusiasm of apple employees compared to 4 years ago? Night and day. There is one 'genius' for 27 idiots that now nothing more than the average user. The genius is in such demand he doesn't care to listen to you anymore anyway all he is trying to do is get you to buy something and get out. Also the revolutionary stuff that apple has made a name for themselves with simply is falling short with each new unveiling. The new MacBook pro is sweet I'll give them that but just cause something's a little faster and a little lighter doesn't mean it's revolutionizing the game like the products they used to make. Hell, I never notice 'faster' anyway because everything I do relies on the Internet and that's my connection speed not my device.

Record profits means that we have jumped on the band wagon and rely on these products so heavily. Are they better than the rest of the products out there? Yes. Is apple the same product that you got excited about and liked going into the store because of the enthusiastic individuals who knew their product and got excited to show you some new thing that the new iPhone had? No. That is dead.

I tried to write this with that dumb bitc* Siri and I got to the second sentence before I cursed her out and gave up. Flame on ya ya I know there's a million defenders but I was just looking for a place to vent. If no one agrees with me oh well but shoot I hope I made some sense to some people.

End rant.
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      07-16-2012, 07:08 PM   #28
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It will likely feature a 4.0-liter twin-turbo V-8 tuned for 475 hp and 480 lb-ft of torque.
What's this about? Is the displacement a typo or is it BMW's movement toward the standardized 500cc per cylinder architecture? It doesn't make sense to turbocharge the high-revving S65. I haven't heard of any plan to downsize the 4.4T either.
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      07-16-2012, 07:54 PM   #29
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eh calling it a M755i would make more sense.
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It depends on how much weight they can shave off the 7er. From a performance standpoint, you would rather have a lighter car with lower HP but better weight /power ratio, than a heavier car with high hp.

From a marketing perspective--more hp/tq sells cars. So in comparison to an S-class AMG, the new 7er may be a fail.
Right, but that's like making the M5 with the N55 engine instead of using the N63 as a base. There's no extra engineering required: the twin-turbo V12 already fits in the F01, already has enough cooling, already has a big enough gas tank, etc. etc. etc.

I'd like to see BMW lose 100-200lbs off the current 760Li and bump up the power slightly. Also, I'd be nice if this M770i came in short wheelbase, long wheelbase, two wheel drive, and four wheel drive. The fact that the 760 (in America) only comes in long wheelbase form is pretty stupid in my mind. Not that I'll ever be in the market for a car that big.
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      07-16-2012, 09:49 PM   #31
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      07-16-2012, 09:52 PM   #32
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i think bmw will fall like apple did/ is doing. apple changed alot after mr.jobs passed away, and imo bmw started to make showoff cars instead of "ultimate driving machine"s. all those fake m models are what the forum hate, m badged normal cars just to show off.

edit: also im not saying this because of "purism" or any kinda stuff, im just saying it since i feel that way. hell, if i were a purist, why would i be driving a 116i right?
Well as part of 'the forum', we have to remember that we are the minority.
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      07-16-2012, 10:22 PM   #33
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      07-16-2012, 10:36 PM   #34
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I don't care how much heavier the twin-turbo V12 is, put it in the M770i with about 650hp and 650tq, with the weight saving measures they already have planned. Make it available in rear-wheel drive and xDrive.

There is no way in hell a 475hp 7-series can compete with S AMGs. Plus, 475hp is far too close to the standard 750i's 460hp.
They already have a 7 series with TT V12, it's called 760i
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      07-16-2012, 10:40 PM   #35
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Wtf really? a 730i with a 2.4l engine?
Yes, BMW's new Toro division combines the luxury of the Seven series with the practicality of a four stroke Briggs and Stratton 200 cc microburst engine.

In addition to the latest professional navigation technologies, this new 730 comes complete with a detachable 30" blade. Moreover, BMW's latest carbon fiber reinforced bag is sure to catch all of your grass clippings on the first pass.
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Wtf really? a 730i with a 2.4l engine?
Yes, BMW's new Toro division combines the luxury of the Seven series with the practicality of a four stroke Briggs and Stratton 200 cc microburst engine.

In addition to the latest professional navigation technologies, this new 730 comes complete with a detachable 30" blade. Moreover, BMW's latest carbon fiber reinforced bag is sure to catch all of your grass clippings on the first pass.
Haha seriously puts things into perspective
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Well, this is less ridiculous than when they decided to put an M to X5 and X6. But it is clear the direction now is heading to complete deterioration of M meaning.
M on this and M on that and at the end everything will end up having an M, in few more years the rare and exclusive BMW models will be the non M ones.
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...and why always talk about weight saving but when new model comes out it is always heavier than its predecessor. It would be appropriate mentioning weight saving only and only if the new model will be lighter in total weight compared to old model.
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BMW should just say "fuck it" and drop in a revised version of the 6.1L V12 they put in the McLaren F1 LM. That engine (and car itself) was/is soooo sex! (hence my avatar pic)
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My friend owns a 760 with M package. Very nice and powerful car. Unless you actually roll out a real M7. Leave it be.
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Well, this is less ridiculous than when they decided to put an M to X5 and X6. But it is clear the direction now is heading to complete deterioration of M meaning.
M on this and M on that and at the end everything will end up having an M, in few more years the rare and exclusive BMW models will be the non M ones.
Say Hello to the M+ version. That's the NEW "M"
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It's quite a long way 'till the next generation will appear and these are just rumors.
If they will release an M Performance petrol version (as 750d is available with the LCI) this will be based on 750i and will compete with S8, following the same formula: less weight and around 500hp.
I don t think the numbers are fixed yet as you can't present a new product, expecting to be the best, but with important less power than the rivals.
For sure it will be under 760i and I guess it will be called M 750 Performance.
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