New Car & Driver Tire Review...Interesting results

labelexec · 07-10-2009, 01:50 AM

In the new issue of Car & Driver, I think August 2009, they have a tire review. Top 3 tires included 2 Korean brands. They used the Michelen PS2 as the benchmark and both the Korean brands outperformed the PS2s.

M3_WC · 07-10-2009, 02:16 AM

What brands?

BHairsto · 07-10-2009, 06:59 AM

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279362

dawgdog · 07-10-2009, 07:06 AM

I have the Kumho Ecsta XS as my summer/track tire. This tire just slaughtered the competition in the dry testing. Also came in first on a review in GRM. I will put on my stock Michelins if it looks like rain is inevitable on a track day.

NYSPEM3 · 07-10-2009, 08:38 AM

Yep very impressive for Kumho and Hankook indeed. I might just pick a set up for track use. They would be trememdous value if they performed anywhere close to PS2's. The fact that they outperformed the PS2 is just icing on the cake.
The Chinese branded tires did not fare well compared to such illustrous competition, but we said the same about Japanese and Korean products not all that long ago. Heck it should be fun just to buy a pair for donuts and burnouts

MrHarris · 07-10-2009, 06:14 PM

I wish they tested the RE-11's. I wonder how they would've stacked up, especially to the Direzza Star Spec

stylinexpat · 07-10-2009, 08:42 PM

Until the Koreans in Korea start buying imported products I won't be buying any of their products. Anyone that is non-Korean and has been to Korea recently know what I am talking about.

I will stick to Japanese and French tires for now..

URBAN LEGEND · 07-11-2009, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Until the Koreans in Korea start buying imported products I won't be buying any of their products. Anyone that is non-Korean and has been to Korea recently know what I am talking about.

I will stick to Japanese and French tires for now..

And German cars... For no as well...

King Tut · 07-11-2009, 11:51 AM

Well I just ordered up a set of the Hankook Ventus V12 Evos in 275/30/19 and 295/30/19. I will let you guys know what I think.

JJM335 · 07-11-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHarris

I wish they tested the RE-11's. I wonder how they would've stacked up, especially to the Direzza Star Spec

The Tire Rack recently posted a test.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=118

bigjae1976 · 07-11-2009, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Until the Koreans in Korea start buying imported products I won't be buying any of their products. Anyone that is non-Korean and has been to Korea recently know what I am talking about.

I will stick to Japanese and French tires for now..

Werd.

I don't trust too many things made in Korea anyways. Too much stuff here is done half-ass.

Montoya · 07-13-2009, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Until the Koreans in Korea start buying imported products I won't be buying any of their products. Anyone that is non-Korean and has been to Korea recently know what I am talking about.

I will stick to Japanese and French tires for now..

For what it's worth, the Korean economy is not much different from the Japanese. The country is in the first world of technology and where they are lagging they are catching up quickly.

I am just as upset as the next that they have trade barriers and tariffs to keep out the foreign competitors. But if you think the Euros are much different, particularly the French, then you haven't had much direct experience dealing with either country, like I have had.

Bottom line, the world is unfair. We are lucky to live somewhere where the playing field is "somewhat" level and all manufacturers must compete on their own merits. That's how we can buy M3's for a 30% discount compared to Europe and most of the world.

Enjoy the best the world has to offer, don't discriminate based on your bias.

just my .02

**ben@tirerack** · 07-13-2009, 06:09 PM

I read that test with interest. For those who are lazy, here's a link
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

My beloved Z1 are at the top. It'd be nice if they came sized for the M3.

As an all-around balanced tire, the PS2 is still hard to beat. But if you don't mind sacrificing some ride/noise harshness and some wet grip on the altar of dry grip, you can get some great bang for the buck with some of the others out there.

I think the RE-11 were excluded for price reasons. They're probably most like the Dunlops, but quieter and more expensive.

GregW / Oregon · 07-15-2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

I read that test with interest. For those who are lazy, here's a link
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

My beloved Z1 are at the top. It'd be nice if they came sized for the M3.

As an all-around balanced tire, the PS2 is still hard to beat. But if you don't mind sacrificing some ride/noise harshness and some wet grip on the altar of dry grip, you can get some great bang for the buck with some of the others out there.

I think the RE-11 were excluded for price reasons. They're probably most like the Dunlops, but quieter and more expensive.

That link doesn't work, but the link to my scans is posted above in Post #3. Too bad the Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas weren't included, though I know that's not one of your brands.

JCtx · 07-15-2009, 01:23 PM

Also too bad they didn't rate the PS2s overall. Pu$$ies

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M3_WC · 07-15-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elp_jc

Also too bad they didn't rate the PS2s overall. Pu$$ies

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Well since it is a test using the PS2's as a benchmark. One could conclude they consider the PS2's as the best all-around tire.

!Xoible · 07-15-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Until the Koreans in Korea start buying imported products I won't be buying any of their products. Anyone that is non-Korean and has been to Korea recently know what I am talking about.

I will stick to Japanese and French tires for now..

LOL trade agreements handle the balancing of import export. you dont have to worry about it. for every penny you spend on their products, they're spending a penny on yours so relax.

**ben@tirerack** · 07-15-2009, 02:13 PM

Link Fixed. Thanks for the heads up Greg.

ChrisTKHarris · 07-18-2009, 06:29 AM

I'm running the Dunlop Z1s and love them

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ben@tirerack M3Post Supporting Vendor 87 Rep 964 Posts Drives: 740i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Bend, IN iTrader: (0)	I read that test with interest. For those who are lazy, here's a link http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests My beloved Z1 are at the top. It'd be nice if they came sized for the M3. As an all-around balanced tire, the PS2 is still hard to beat. But if you don't mind sacrificing some ride/noise harshness and some wet grip on the altar of dry grip, you can get some great bang for the buck with some of the others out there. I think the RE-11 were excluded for price reasons. They're probably most like the Dunlops, but quieter and more expensive. __________________ _______________________________________________ I have accepted a new position at Tire Rack and am no longer in the sales department. gary@tirerack.com is available to assist with M3 questions. Last edited by ben@tirerack; 07-15-2009 at 02:12 PM..
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