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A friend has a 2020 M550, that is a beast of a car, I totally consider that an M car. Don't believe me, go test drive one with the handling package.
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Ya then go drive the actual ///M5 and shit your pants. It's still not an M car. It's a really really good fucking car but it's not an ///M. Full stop. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. How does a 3.8 60 and a 12.3 1/4 mile and 115mph trap speed just a "good fucking car"? That will smoke 75% of cars out there and just a 0.5 sec 1/4 mile slower than a F10 M5 with a 119mph trap speed!
Save yourself 40k get downpipes and a stage 2 bootmod3 tune. M550i guys are running in the low 11's! |
Spoken like a true 1/4 mile nerd. Do the same thing to the ///M5 and see where you are at. Then hit a circuit course and check again. Or better, hit a half mile or mile roll race and the check it. Look they are all fast as F. But the m550 is not an M. It's not about your 60
Foot or your 1/4 mile. An ///M is the sum of its parts and it's composure over all.
Nothing you do to a non M will make it an M. Get real. |
Another M fanboy. Just took a look at your posts, another corporate executive M boy "love the color and the lines, so beautiful"  ... you probably don't even know how the internals of a turbo engine works lol. Go to sleep kid.
I love coming to the news section to talk sense to all you corporate BMW guys with your M license plate, I'll just stick to the engine threads smh. |
Bro I have owned, built and modded more cars than your family has ever had. I'm not a buy it out of the box fan boy, I started like everyone else. I have had more grease on my hands and fuck my life engine building moments than most. I'm a realist when it comes to this conversation.
Corporate boy. Haha, ya if you only knew. Go back to your engine mod threads and continue arguing about which intake you should put it on
Or which burble tune you should get. Kiss my ass while your there too. |
Then you out of all people should understand the potential of these cars and appreciate them. Intake is negligible gain bro. Give me a 6466 ball bearing turbo(s) on any of these cars, and methanol injection bye bye. And I disagree with you on the cost difference, give me 15k and I could make an M550i just as fast as an M5. |
Thats the problem. 15k and you can make it just as fast is not the point. The point is the sum of the parts and the complete engineering, that is where the difference lies.
Sure for 15k on an m550 you can do some Downpipes, some tune, some meth maybe some cheap turbos..... but my point is that does not equal and ///M car. You may make it just as fast on paper but it's not the same.
I have gone down this road myself and ya the capability is there to go from good to great but it all comes at a cost and it will never be the sum of its parts. I just want people to be real here. It's completely irrational and diminutive when people claim they can make a non ///M into an M. I argue you can do a lot and that's great but it's NOT and ///M. I'm sorry but the R&D dollars that go into all of these models is not trivial and does produce real performance products.
Here are the things you won't get trying to get the m550 to an M5 for our 15k arguments example:
You will not get the weight reduction In the body panels, you will not get the breaks, you will not get the crazy xdrive or even the electronic diffs. You will not get the upgraded low pressure or high pressure cooling systems. You will not get twin scroll turbos with electronic waste gates. You will not get a carbon fiber roof. You will not get a tuned and rated ZF matched to the engine. You will not get the suspension, the wheels, the tires the underbody aero, the exhaust. You won't even get the seats.... my point throughout all of my trolling. Has been this.
These cars are all really fucking good and capable. But if it's not designed by the Motorsport division, it's stupid to diminish it and not realize how those developments with each generation feed down to the all of the models elevating them with each new gen. The top of the tree that the ///M division designs and builds is not easily replicable and certainly not for 15k.
But if all you care about is saying "it's as fast as an ///M." You're missing the point. |
5+ years ago or more I would have been on the same page with you for everything you said; for example an e92 n54 compared to an f30 S55, both being turbo cars, when everyone was trying to figure how to balance and get the best out of forced induction. However automobile especially turbo technology and drivetrain hasn't advanced to the same slope as it has the previous decade, only the part components that keep the block and turbo running more efficiently has. Coolant system technology has been addressed over the past few years.
What you stated, you don't think BMW uses the same technology to cool these rapid cars as it's M cars? I'd imagine they wouldn't want tons of warranty claims on their part, break downs and an unreliable car. You don't think AMG has no part in their C43. You think the M division has absolutely no part in the MP cars at all, and if they don't then BMW GmbH doesn't try to replicate the technology from their M division in these cars? Do you know specifically that BMW M GmbH doesn't have any involvement, I'm talking even blueprints. Hell I even see BMW components in Mini's as I do Rolls Royce such as coils. Unless you are stating all this as fact (which I doubt) Technology is being shared, hence the Supra.
8 years ago I would be on the same page as you (and what most M boys still believe) as far as increasing output and balancing load & pressure, as well as drivetrain... now it's just not there. It's a new era mein fruend. Gaps are bridging the same as an M8, M5 or S65 is bridging the McClarens and Lamborghini's.