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Originally Posted by BMW5and7
Absolutely wrong. Again the Mbenz charm will not work here, sorry.
Majority of owners here would still get the 760 (much better car) even if they can’t get the EV drivetrain over the W223. ICE 7 is the majority of sales anyway unlike what u said.
In fact many of the owners here anyway ended up with the 7 cause the S has been a complete failure not cause we didn’t want a 760. The main point is: people passed on the S and it’s sales numbers are declining not because the 7 has a better drivetrain tech option, and not cause the S didn’t have an EV drivetrain either (cause it never did anyway), they passed cause of the unattractive design, the tablet style screen, lacking tech, or creaky interior and bought the 7 as a better car instead. I bet that a large portion of the new 7 buyers contributing to the 7 sales increase came from the S.
The reality is that the filtered 7 ICE-only sales numbers would have been even higher if the i7 didn’t exist cause many of the i7 buyers would still get the 760/740/PHEV. It’s a drivetrain choice. I bought the car first while also enjoying a drivetrain choice as a great added-value. I’d have passed if it wasn’t a grear car to begin with. In the end, the “if” scenarios don’t exist in this industry. Each brand had a chance to offer the best version of the car that they could offer.
Let’s use your original argument on the topic 1-2 yrs ago.
Quote: One of your previous responses on ICE and EV drivetrain sales:
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These numbers are all out there. The take rate for the EV is ~40%. Some of those buyers would have gotten the ICE, but many of them (like you) specifically wanted an EV. I totally agree with my own statement you quoted, but its a factor for sure. EV is another whole market that the 7 touches and the S Class doesn't...that impacts sales. Hence why I said until MB has an EV version I think the 7 will continue to outsell it. The best thing they could do to improve their sales comparison is to do that, but they have to ride out their failed EV strategy for a few more years.
As for the ICE 7 being better than the S580, I don't agree. For me the 7 was an EV only option, and going ICE I preferred the powertrain and the drive of the S580, not to mention the looks which were the real deciding factor for me. I'm pretty sure you said you never even drove a 760. The 760's powertrain is louder and has more NVH and the ride is floaty and disconnected compared to the i7. I was willing to entertain the polarizing looks of the 7 for the way the i7 drove, but not the 760. PHEV the S580e has better EV range so the 750e wasn't interesting either.
The refresh makes the S Class more "garish" which adjusts the math for me somewhat. If the refresh 7 looks like that rendering thats out that would solve the looks issue for me, but the iX3 interior would be a dealbreaker, so we'll have to wait and see. I like the interior of the new S, but the exterior is kind of garish. I like the interior of the 7 but the exterior is garish, the exterior of that rendering looks great but the interior change we all suspect is coming would be a big issue for me...so I dunno. I might just get something like a Range Rover next time.
Listening to you talk here and on MBWorld is hilarious lol. You talk totally out of both sides of your mouth. Wondering which one is real...just have the same opinions at both places. I'm not a "Mercedes guy", I have had two over my whole life. I would buy a different brand no problem. If it weren't so polarizing looking I would have a 7 Series now, but it is so I don't. You thought it was the ugliest car on the road until you got one lol. You called me insane for liking it.
If the refresh was this car with the dashboard of the current car, it would be my next car for sure:
But I have a feeling the interior is going to be the killer this time vs the exterior. S Class I like the refresh interior but the outside is kind of vulgar...so...where does that leave me?