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Originally Posted by m630
I've owed BMWs continuously since 1990, so I know a thing or two about being an enthusiast and know nearly everything about the brand over the past 40+ years.
Marketing took over a long long time ago, first it was the option of a non-MT to not offering MTs in nearly all modern Ms. Then the trucks came and took over. Then turbos took over. These are not track cars used for professional racing where the speed of a DCT is required, so they should not offer any Ms unless they are an MT, and if you can't drive an MT, you shouldn't have an M. but alas, its all about market share not about a product for enthusiast. BMWs were not about a luxury product, they were about a sports oriented car company.
....look the wars have just begun, a next gen M3 will be the poor mans M3 because of the two M3 models that are being offered above them..u know how its going to be, my M3CS has more power than your pity little "regular" M3 so piss off!!! just pure bs madness as if a car the size and weight of an M3 is a track duty car. Its silly and funny if it wasn't so sad.
People argue that SAVs are Ms, thats the biggest joke ever, and then to make it more fun, BMW offers Competition versions of "M" trucks  
and people will argue to their blue in the face that since BMW calls is an X5M Competition, for example, its a real M!!! We all need 600hp to haul a crap around or be an uber for the soccer club!!! A monster truck is a real M!!!!???!!!! Come on, Marketing 101.
But guess what, if someone wants to buy it and feel good thinking they are driving an M because of what the true history of M was and made the letter stand for, so be it, it doesn't affect my life in one bit.
but when those insecure people crap on something because they think it diminishes their purchase, I have to say BS and get over yourself and your ego. Its this attitude that makes so many people have disdain for the brand, and here you have brand owner vs brand owner because some can't fathom the fact that they are buying a marketing M, not a car derived from motorsport.  |
You know, beside other brands, I am a long time owner as well but your comment which wants to pose as objective, is actually a very poor mask of your true opinion.
While I agree with you in some points, you are literally putting under a question mark all your intentions by perpetually hitting the M owners with that "insecurity", while all your posts are just a narcissistic way of reassuring yourself about how smart and clever you are by choosing vehicles that are not M but which are " a hair apart from an M vehicle".
I do own a simple X line vehicle, and looking for my next M, yet I will never put them together, because they are not.
yeah, preach your poetry as long as you want but you:
- either lack knowledge in the field,
- either your senses are dead
- either you are just in here to reiterate to yourself what a good decision you have made.
Same goes for TV's or Audio field where many look the same, yet a deaf or a blind guy can not see the difference. Many swear on their "blue faces" (to use your words), that their speakers are absolutely better than some very expensive ones where beryllium is used, and can not justify the price.
Fair enough, but stop preaching in here your poor perception. If you are unable to see what people that are specialists in the field can see, that doesn';t mean that you are correct.
Also, if BMW calls the X3M and X5M or X6M an M vehicle who are you to say that they are not?
Do you have the definition of M? Or did you read somewhere that M is actually a certain class of its own where the center of gravity must not go over a certain height from the ground level?
If you don't see the X5M or X6M as an M car that is your problem, but they are as they do benefit from certain materials, technical approach, different engineering, track inspired technology and more power. Don't care about your opinion about soccer mom's with 600HP! is immature and shows your condescending approach! That is nobody's business and can not be included in an enthusiast forum.
It is just a different vehicle for different purposes. An M3 will not take me skiing or hiking where I want -and where I am usually going- with the speed and comfort I am looking for, but an X6 will. Is just a bigger different animal, but if you have a bigger imagination and see that X6 from the helicopter in the field, you will get its purpose. So is the Ford Raptor which will not stay beside the M3. But the M3 will not stay beside that Raptor either. Depends on the situation.
In the end, stop blaming the M owners, that they are hurt. From where I am sitting, it seems that actually you are the one that is hurt, not them as they have no reason to.
Actually, people like you are the ones that are promoting disdain inside the brand. Be happy with what you have and enjoy, but stop trying to preach in here the so little differences between BMW models. They are very different and the prices obviously reflect that and people that do have some real weight in the field say the same.
The new M340 is a beast on its own reported to the actual cars, but the new M3 will be far apart. It's called evolution. Is true that many are not using the limits of a normal BMW and I passed many cool cars with my 4 cyl but that doesn't mean that mine is better. Some buy their M's for their technical specifications, some buy it for their image or just because they want the best. Each of us have its own perception, but a perception will not replace the facts.