Eurocharged ECU Flash or "575HP Package" M4/M3??

[BMW M4 PWR]

Has anyone installed the eurocharged ECU Flash on their M4/M3 yet? Apparently they have a "575HP Package" now as well that includes their DP and filters too. I'd love to hear feedback from actual owners on these. They dyno'ed a gain of 120rwhp a couple months ago which I thought was unbelievable for just a flash and dp's on pump fuel so Im wondering if some people got these installed yet...? thx

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

They dyno'ed a gain of 120rwhp a couple months ago which I thought was unbelievable for just a flash and dp's on pump fuel so Im wondering if some people got these installed yet...? thx

Fairly standard for a factory FI motor + tune; the N54 commonly went from a factory 280 WHP to 380-low 400s on 93 with standard bolt-ons. Eurocharged is a very established company, did the factory DME tuning for the UGR Lambos.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

Has anyone installed the eurocharged ECU Flash on their M4/M3 yet? Apparently they have a "575HP Package" now as well that includes their DP and filters too. I'd love to hear feedback from actual owners on these. They dyno'ed a gain of 120rwhp a couple months ago which I thought was unbelievable for just a flash and dp's on pump fuel so Im wondering if some people got these installed yet...? thx

575 Hp sounds a little (actually a lot) optimistic. Without upgraded turbos, I'm calling BS on Eurocharged. My prior experience with them was not quite so positive, hence my skepticism.

[BuLoOoSki]

Originally Posted by mc3456

575 Hp sounds a little (actually a lot) optimistic. Without upgraded turbos, I'm calling BS on Eurocharged. My prior experience with them was not quite so positive, hence my skepticism.

Keep in mind that this is 575 crank horse power, and given the fact that those cars are making 425rwhp stock (roughly 485hp at the crank), it doesn't seem surprising to gain 90hp for a tune and downpipe combo.

[Hobbination]

Originally Posted by BuLoOoSki

Keep in mind that this is 575 crank horse power, and given the fact that those cars are making 425rwhp stock (roughly 485hp at the crank), it doesn't seem surprising to gain 90hp for a tune and downpipe combo.

These are the numbers I tend to lean towards as well. Would it then be safe to assume w the BMS Stage 1 (+40 +40) we can say our little 3 liters are in the 500hp club?

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by mc3456

575 Hp sounds a little (actually a lot) optimistic. Without upgraded turbos, I'm calling BS on Eurocharged. My prior experience with them was not quite so positive, hence my skepticism.

Same people said the same about the N54 hitting 400 WHP+ on stock snails; flash tuning gets a LOT more out of the stock components since you can make changes to the Ignition & VANOS timing, where you net a lot more gains. Ignition Timing > Boost.

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by BuLoOoSki

Keep in mind that this is 575 crank horse power, and given the fact that those cars are making 425rwhp stock (roughly 485hp at the crank), it doesn't seem surprising to gain 90hp for a tune and downpipe combo.

No. Eurocharged documented a 120RWHP
increase* with their tune and DP's on 93oct. Not 90flywheel HP, that wouldn't have shocked me at all and been quite reasonable.

That seems to be more of an increase than any other flash + dps. Which is why im so curious to see if anyone else has replicated these gains with their "package."

[schnazzy]

I'd like more information too but this is what I gleaned from their page. Note my opinion is only based on my experience and although it isn't as much as many, I do have some. I have had experience with Dinan (SC kit), very custom turbo and SC kits in BMWs, worked with companies no longer in business and quality companies like AA and Burger to name only a few. blah blah blah.

Their 575hp package is estimated BHP (aka crank HP). Although they don't blatantly say it, it is easily gleaned by the graph on their page and that they say HP and not RWHP.

I have never done business with them but here are some comments:
Like - they are in the US (and especially Texas where it's big HP or go home).
Like - they include the airfilter and downpipes etc. as a tuned package.
Like - they explain the options for pump fuel including RON ratings.

dislike - their graph is not pure export from mustang, dynojet, etc. not showing AFs etc.

That being said, looks like a good option for some.

Note the RWHP is about 485rwhp which puts it smack dab at what the JB4 stage 2 will do with Catless downpipes and 93 octane (basically the same).

Pro/con
I am certain you can get more HP out of JB4 because if you want to pay for dyno time, you can tune different settings with the JB4. Are you really going to do this? Do you really want to pay $100 an hour for 3 hours getting another 10hp?

Will the tune be wiped when the dealer does code updates? I don't think so but I'd want to know for sure.

Besides the matched tune with the DPs, it's also not some box with wires under your hood. Some people will like that and really, this 575 kit is the same price as DBs and the JB4.

I still believe that each car is different and I may do other things to my car that may prompt me to modify the tune a bit, so JB4 is a better choice (in my brain) right now for me but wow, I must say, the 575 kit for $2k seems like a great choice for those that want to set an forget.

btw I'd love to see any real dyno chart with 120rwhp on 93octane gas.

Also be quite interested in anyone who did this and put it on a dynojet dyno.

[schnazzy]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

No. Eurocharged documented a 120RWHP
increase* with their tune and DP's on 93oct. Not 90flywheel HP, that wouldn't have shocked me at all and been quite reasonable.

That seems to be more of an increase than any other flash + dps. Which is why im so curious to see if anyone else has replicated these gains with their "package."

A quick internet search and re-reviewing their site... yes the graphs they show 120rwhp delta within the powerband. Note they use Dyno Dynamics which imho has no bearing (nothing negative) when doing same car deltas. Note this dyno is well known just like Mustang to have lower absolute numbers than dynojet so keep that in mind when looking at absolute numbers.

The 120rwhp delta is at about 6500 rpm when the charts show stock was about 360 (reads seem low, may be due to dyno brand), the after-tuned number is about 480. That is the delta. With this being said, it seems that the JB4 and downpipes should be the same (or close enough) out of the box (some dyno tuning could result in a few more HP).

I'd really like to see this on a dynojet at sea level and correctly maintained because I think that it would show at least 10 more hp (inline with Jb4/stage2)

Again, it doesn't SEEM like there is any significant delta from a JB4/Stage2/DPs/KN.

Some data from here:
http://www.***********.com/showthrea...rged-downpipes

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by schnazzy

I'd really like to see this on a dynojet at sea level and correctly maintained because I think that it would show at least 10 more hp (inline with Jb4/stage2)

I agree with everything you stated except for this. Dyno dynamic are VERY stingy compared to dynojet dyno's. Especially when calibrated showing 360rwhp stock*(for an M4) Under the same calibrations it did 480rwhp which would translate WELL OVER 500rwhp (if not 520rwhp) on a dynojet. Which is why im so curious to see a legit customers cars on a dynojet with this "kit." Big claims by "Eurocharged" ...not saying they're lying but I gotta "see it to believe it"

[Mario_Kart]

I had a eurocharged tune on my e60 m5 for a few weeks. Worst money spent, car had cold start problems and rough idle. Got rid of the tune and car was fine again.

[JsGarageCo]

I have the EC575 hp package on my 2015 f80 M3.

The package vs stock is night and day different.

The car is a complete animal! The car is butter smooth, and makes tons of power.

The car will lose traction in 4th gear now!

I am very impressed with this Eurocharged package. The guys do great work, and are great guys!

I would fully recommend anyone taking their cars to them!

[schnazzy]

jordokap, do you have any dynojet numbers/graphs?


BMW M4 PWR, Also, it is my understanding that Dyno Dynamics can "simulate" results as other dyno's. Might be that's what they did here for the fully tuned numbers to have a more fair comparison to all of us number whores.

[//Maniac]

If you have any baseline numbers with the tune to compare that would be awesome.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by Mario_Kart

I had a eurocharged tune on my e60 m5 for a few weeks. Worst money spent, car had cold start problems and rough idle. Got rid of the tune and car was fine again.

I had an AMG E63S, and 3 other AMGs. Eurocharged always advertised the biggest gains, which based on the more reputable competition (RennTech, Weistec, Kleeman, AMS), I'd surmise is total BS. They also sold me a tune, only to find out after a week that they don't actually offer it, and another week to get a refund. Personally, I'd stay away.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by BuLoOoSki

Keep in mind that this is 575 crank horse power, and given the fact that those cars are making 425rwhp stock (roughly 485hp at the crank), it doesn't seem surprising to gain 90hp for a tune and downpipe combo.

My point is that I think 485hp at the crank is wishful thinking. I don't even think tuned F80/F82 make that.

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by schnazzy

BMW M4 PWR, Also, it is my understanding that Dyno Dynamics can "simulate" results as other dyno's. Might be that's what they did here for the fully tuned numbers to have a more fair comparison to all of us number whores.

If they "changed" ANY calibrations (or the graph) between the *before* and *after* runs the whole thing becomes BS and the company doing that is being disingenuous. I doubt that thou, I think they legitly put down 480RWHP on a dyno dynamic calibrated conservatively to boot. Making it an easy 500-to-520rwhp car on a dynojet. That would be BIG for just tune and DP's on 93oct pump.(if it truly is what they're "presenting")


jordokap, what did your car dyno? Any before and afters? Thx and congrats

[Mario_Kart]

Originally Posted by mc3456

I had an AMG E63S, and 3 other AMGs. Eurocharged always advertised the biggest gains, which based on the more reputable competition (RennTech, Weistec, Kleeman, AMS), I'd surmise is total BS. They also sold me a tune, only to find out after a week that they don't actually offer it, and another week to get a refund. Personally, I'd stay away.

I had to take my M5 back to the dealer for them to flash the factory software because the stupid handheld tuner they sent me for 100bucks didn't work. Also took them weeks to refund me for the tuner and I had to ship it back on my own dime.

I wouldn't risk blowing up my car just because they can squeeze an extra 10-20hp out of it while the other tuners cant.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by mc3456

My point is that I think 485hp at the crank is wishful thinking. I don't even think tuned F80/F82 make that.

WTF are you talking about? Do you not see the countless 470+ RWHP JB4 only charts posted? Or the 530 RWHP JB4/E30 pull posted today? You do realize that's roughly 600 HP "at the crank"...right?

If you factor in how much these cars are underrated, they can make 485 crank HP by sprinkling unicorn ashes onto the engine cover. Not trying to back up Eurocharged, though...I wouldn't go near them.

[schnazzy]

Originally Posted by FC4

WTF are you talking about? Do you not see the countless 470+ RWHP JB4 only charts posted? Or the 530 RWHP JB4/E30 pull posted today? You do realize that's roughly 600 HP "at the crank"...right?

If you factor in how much these cars are underrated, they can make 485 crank HP by sprinkling unicorn ashes onto the engine cover. Not trying to back up Eurocharged, though...I wouldn't go near them.

I couldn't agree more. You should get the following:

• At least 30-40rwhp delta from stock to any basic software flash/piggyback tune with AA/Eurocharged/BMS stage 1 on 93 octane (of quality)
• At least 70-110rwhp delta (not necessarily at peak) from stock to any advanced tune that can take into account a downpipe. (k&N, catless dp, quality 93 octane, quality tune)

In JB4 world....
Not just on Burger's cars but others going to EAS etc.

(Ando's new M4 at BMS)
504whp 524tq (DynoJet, M4, STOCK, JB4 map 2, 3-4 gallons of E30)
529whp 560tq (DynoJet, M4, STOCK, JB4 map 6, 3-4 gallons of E30)

(Mike N54 tuning)
391whp/ 381rwtq (DynoJet, M4, STOCK, 91 or 93 octane unsure)
429.08rwhp/ 441.60rwtq (DynoJet, M4, STOCK, JB4 MAP1, 93 octane)
429.28rwhp/ 422.49rwtq (DynoJet, M4, catless DP, JB4 MAP0, 93 octane)
465.62rwhp/ 460.67rwtq (DynoJet, M4, catless DP, JB4 MAP1, 93 octane)
482.27rwhp/ 489.81rwtq (DynoJet, M4, catless DP, JB4 MAP2, 93 octane)
*note all numbers on all season winter tires that may potentially lower the HP (a few points).

(A customer of EAS)
559whp and 605ft-lbs tq (DynoJet, M4, catless DPs, Arkapovic system, JB4 probably map 7, 100 octane gas). other cars have been similarly in the 540+ area.

(Terry's M3 at BMS)
495.81whp 508.08tq (DynoJet, M3, JB4 map 2, ER pipes, and K&N drop in filters, 93-94ctane (E20/91)

(Terry's M3 at BMS)
518.53whp 489.38tq (DynoJet, M3, JB4 map 2, PURE Turbos, ER pipes, and K&N drop in filters, 93 octane (3gal 100, 9gal 91)

(Terry's M3 at BMS)
615whp 582tq (DynoJet, M3, JB4, PURE Turbos, ER pipes, BMS meth kit, and K&N drop in filters. The fuel was a mix of 25% E85, 25% 91, and 50% 100. Meth was a 70% mix.)

So....
93-94 octane, jb4, map 2, catless DP, K&N filter you should range 480-495whp on a Dynojet.
running e85 or e-mixes will put you well over 500 but the limit seems to be about 550whp (on 100 octane) unless you upgrade the turbos, then with meth you are in the 615-650whp but you will need new parts, like a special clutch, and a truck full of tires

[schnazzy]

I'd just like to see...
DP's
MPE
KN
JB4 map2
92oct plus 1 can of Torco (octane boost)
and magically somehow break 500whp but I think this is a pipe dream (480-495 is the realistic range)

Same setup, I'd like to break 560whp/600tq on 100octane map7, just so I can have a dyno chart.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by FC4

WTF are you talking about? Do you not see the countless 470+ RWHP JB4 only charts posted? Or the 530 RWHP JB4/E30 pull posted today? You do realize that's roughly 600 HP "at the crank"...right?

If you factor in how much these cars are underrated, they can make 485 crank HP by sprinkling unicorn ashes onto the engine cover. Not trying to back up Eurocharged, though...I wouldn't go near them.

My point is more that these cars are not as under rated as people claim. I only hear people latch onto the high dynos, while ignoring the really low ones.

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but personally, I'd have to see more independent dynos or some published articles with significant acceleration gains to believe the wishful hype.