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Maybe you are confusing nutritionists and unlicensed "Dietitians" with licensed professionals. The former, I could claim to be a nutritionist with no training or certification, the latter, i could not. Unfortunately, the former are the ones who end up creating these "diets" and giving the advice, while the latter try and fix the issues made by the former. Hell, the very 1st google result for ketogenic diet is an article written by the former. An unlicensed "Nutritionist" who has a worthless certification. At least he does have a degree in sports and nutrition science... As for the certification though, heres the requirements. Mandatory Requirements Current paying member of ISSN. Must have the CISSN or SNS certification. (Note: exceptions will be made for active ISSN members who have advanced degrees). (Note: ANYONE can take this test) Have attended one of the ISSN National Conferences in the past 3 years. But go on, Id love to hear more. |
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I did a version of the Keto type diet with Ideal Protein, it was through my doctor....wow! It was and still has been a super effective way (for me) to lose weight, or in my case get back down to where I should be.
I did Ideal Protein for 3 months, lost 26 lbs. - food was awesome ! And super easy to do. I was at 233 lbs. - then lost 26 lbs. That was about 3 months ago, been able to maintain at or around 210/212 lbs. I plan on going back on to really slim down - ideally want to be at 205. I will say, it was NOT cheap to do. The food is $30 each box of whatever, and was $400 to 'start-up' -- anyway was overall really good program. Cheers, Merlin
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09-16-2016, 11:03 AM | #28 |
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maybe the UK has issues with this. Dont see much of it around here. Colorado is the Health Capital of the US with every fad diet being popular around here.
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09-16-2016, 11:07 AM | #29 | |
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Simply put, if someone is committed to being healthy, health professionals have all the tools necessary to assist them (and csu's point about dietician vs nutritionist is completely valid). If they don't however, there's nothing that the medical profession can really do. The addiction analogy is entirely appropriate in that context. Is the food industry deplorable? Pretty much ... you get no argument from me. But that doesn't make them responsible for parents completely abdicating their responsibility to help their children grow up healthy and that doesn't give obese adults a pass for not taking ownership of their situation. I know SFA about the ketogenic diet and am not passing judgement. It may be entirely effective, but only if the individual is committed to being healthy. That's true of any other published diet. However, it is also true that many of these diets are no healthier for people than "The Biggest Loser" is. I don't know (or care) which group the ketogenic diet falls into. I'm healthy and lean because I eat relatively well, don't drink to excess, don't smoke, and am somewhat active. Guess what? I know that doesn't work for everyone because obesity is a complex psychological and physical issue. IF someone's obesity is rooted in psychological overlay, there is no diet that's going to help and guess what ... the "junk science" professional who can treat the underlying cause is the right answer when the patient is committed to their own good health. |
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It is a proven fact that people are less active now, then they have been in the past, and unhealthy foods are easier/cheaper than healthy foods. |
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I used to say the same before I looked at the evidence. I worked out all my life and thought fat people are just lazy. So I don't blame you for being misinformed and ignorant, it happens to the best of us. And here lies the problem, most people are like you and your wife, sadly many of them practice medicine and make things worse. |
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Regarding the "special" coffee. It contains a C8 version of MCT oil which are extracted from coconut oil. Those C8 medium chain triglycerides are basically liquid ketones. If you following the keto diet properly and drink the coffee it will enhance and speed up the results. And more importantly than losing weight, most people feel and perform great on it as well. Tons of energy. That's the most important measure for me.
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A healthy balanced breakfast includes honey nut cheerios, an orange juice, a banana, a coffee with milk and sugar, and 2 slices of toast? That's more carbs and sugar than I eat in a week when I'm trying to lose weight, and its the same message on all the kids cereal/breakfast commercials. Its unfair to blanket medical professionals as evil, but I think its totally fair to blanket any company that profits from a product that lists any of the following as one of their primary ingredients as unethical to say the least. . . Since they are just different disguised names for sugar that the common consumer doesn't know about: Agave nectar Barbados sugar Barley malt Barley malt syrup Beet sugar Brown sugar Buttered syrup Cane juice Cane juice crystals Cane sugar Caramel Carob syrup Castor sugar Coconut palm sugar Coconut sugar Confectioner's sugar Corn sweetener Corn syrup Corn syrup solids Date sugar Dehydrated cane juice Demerara sugar Dextrin Dextrose Evaporated cane juice Free-flowing brown sugars Fructose Fruit juice Fruit juice concentrate Glucose Glucose solids Golden sugar Golden syrup Grape sugar HFCS (High-Fructose Corn Syrup) Honey Icing sugar Invert sugar Malt syrup Maltodextrin Maltol Maltose Mannose Maple syrup Molasses Muscovado Palm sugar Panocha Powdered sugar Raw sugar Refiner's syrup Rice syrup Saccharose Sorghum Syrup Sucrose Sugar (granulated) Sweet Sorghum Syrup Treacle Turbinado sugar Yellow sugar I'll let you guys keep bashing each other from the sidelines here now that I weighed in again
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I've done not so much a regimented diet as just restricting certain foods from my meals. I almost completely stopped eating carbs (potatoes, bread and pasta). I may eat it once a week or 2 times a month at most. Other than that, I eat all proteins, nuts, meats and fish. I also exclude rice from my meals. I paired this diet along with exercising (weight lifting and running). Since October of 2015, I went from 210lbs to 188lbs. I am much much leaner. Getting more lean as the days go on and how much I limit the carb intake.
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I believe in the US, regulations are pending requiring the disclosure of sugar to include both the quantity of added and natural sugars (unfortunately in Canada, we have not crossed that regulatory barrier yet). That places the responsibility back on the consumer to pay attention to what they're eating/buying. |
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That's the irony of it, vilified fat is essential to life, where carbs that people eat the most aren't actually needed at all. |
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Very true.
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Sugar is sugar. Granted high fructose corn syrup is especially bad since it spikes your insulin a bit more than other sugars, but natural sugars in fruit are fructose. Look at some of the recent studies on fructose and fatty liver disease and fructose's ability to feed cancer cells and you'll see that natural sugars aren't much better. The only benefit you get from fruit is the additional fiber, but you can get that elsewhere. I'm not a big fan of fruit. It should be treated like a dessert if anything, but I rarely eat it.
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I was ketogenic for about 3 months, it worked fairly well for getting lean. My strength went down for sure without any carbs though. Not something I would want to maintain.
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Lay off the conspiracy theories for awhile. Next thing you'll say is fat people aren't fat, they're just big boned. |
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Your best argument so far was "my wife is a dietitian". What are you still doing here? |
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