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I'd also argue self-driving / autopilot / autonomous should have its own thread - while Tesla's have this, it's a way broader topic than Tesla, many other vehicles has this and more (e.g., Waymo) I'd say keep this thread focused on: • Tesla as a business (including stock, competitive advantages, Elon's shenanigans, etc) • Tesla vehicles as products (S3XY Truck) • Tesla as a manufacturer (including batteries, factories, technology, et al) |
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But you wouldn't have computers or programming without electricity, but then you wouldn't have electricity without power generators... if you really want to follow that line of thinking then I'm guessing the 3rd richest man owes all his success to some single cell organism...
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Could care less about his wealth tho lol. |
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09-01-2020, 01:18 AM | #27 | |
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Gotta agree, that was definitely a moment of wait what, who is talking about Mazda?
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SCOTT26 "So as an admirer of the M5 and a potential customer of an M5 Touring. I would run naked around the streets of Garching if they were to offer one."
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Yeah sounds good since that's part of the business and value prop ... for example I'm looking at an X5 45e which gets a $7500 federal tax credit; I don't know exactly how that works, but it makes the vehicle way more attractive!
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09-01-2020, 06:04 AM | #30 | |
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When you do your taxes for 2020, you get to take $7,500 off what you owe the IRS. If you owe less than $7,500 you won't get a refund, though. |
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Says who? I've got an IRS direct deposit receipt from back in March that says otherwise. Did that change for 2020?????
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And yes, in the essence, using the current terminology, US taxpayers subsidy 'the rich' yet again... and they thank you for that, if nothing else. |
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But did you get a refund of what you already paid through withholding or estimated tax payments, or have total tax of less than $7,500? The "not getting a check back" may apply only to the latter. Not sure.
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09-01-2020, 08:34 AM | #36 |
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Haven't you heard? Per the fanboys Tesla isn't a car company. They're a technology company. Sheeesh <sarcasm>
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As the former owner of a peripheral ported, fire breathing, 13B, 1974 rotary pickup I can tell you why they arent giving up. Those engines are amazing! The power to weight ratio is just supurb. So smooth, so many revs. So much fun.
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On the TTT, is SpaceX talk allowed?
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However, some other manufacturers like Kia don't pass this on if you lease, only if you purchase. Boooo!
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Also, fed income tax is marginal. So if someone with more income wants to pay more for a $70-100k Tesla, why would they not be justified in taking a $7500 credit since they have been taxed more on marginal income? Keep in mind that they are sill paying tax on a $100k car, not a $92.5k car. Also, that $7500 credit is adjusted for in the secondary market, and lower residual values mean the cars are more affordable for more people.
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Yes, port overlap tends to lead to unburned hydrocarbons belching out the exhaust. People used to honk and point when I was ripping on the freeway because the header was glowing cherry red. They'd think the truck was on fire. I never bothered to hook up the heater core because my radiant in-floor heading from the exhaust kept me nice and warm in the winter and miserable in the summer.
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Second, and this can be related to the above, there many other tax & credit stipulations (CARB, state, etc.) for car manufacturers, so they have to manipulate their EV/plugin stock and sales to maximize benefits (and minimize costs). I suspect BMW collect those, but claims 'we're passing saving to you', which technically is misleading. |
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