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Left alone to Toyota, 30 years later we still wouldn't have had a Supra and no, we wouldn't be better off without it. Then, if Toyota for some reason decided to go it alone it it would have been a V-6, no chance as good of an engine, pretty sure not the ZF trans, highly unlikely it would have ever gotten a manual as they wouldn't have had something easily added to their engine.
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Or.. you know.. the 1.6L 3 cyl engine they seem to be putting in their GR cars with manual transmissions. Which wouldn't be on the same level obviously as the B58 but pretty close, and allow for better handling.
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3 cylinder 1.6L Power: 300 hp @ 6500 rpm Torque: 273 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm I-6 in Supra Power: 382 hp @ 6500 rpm Torque: 368 lb-ft @ 1800 rpm Reality seems to be even worse as the I-6 seems to under rated. Next issue is the well balanced I6 vs the I3 I think the B58 is one of the best all around engines made, the 3 cylinder Toyota isn't anywhere close. It's amazing they got 300 hp out of a 1.6L I3 but a number of I4 engines on the market that look better to me.
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What was the price, how many sold and it took how many years to sell them? Think they will ever do something like this again? I agree they have the technical ability to make a great car sports car but are too fixated on smart business moves to do something like that again. It also wasn't a great seller as it cost far too much. It's hard to argue from a business standpoint that they should.
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And a previous owner of a GD STi and an Evo 9+10 The Corolla drives like a cross between them both Lag is ever present and something you'd have to keep in mind It's got the grip and it's relatively zippy, but I would put that engine against the best 4 cylinders available The k20c in the CTR is much better The ubiquitous EA888 is a gem even now Toyota has one really good engine and it's not in a sports car It's the Prius drivetrain |
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I just don't want such an old car as it'll be my DD. A low-ish mileage, <5 yr old Boxster S/GTS is my preference.
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Not a fan of the new M2 screen, looks like they bolted it to an dash, would have looked better if it had been built into the dash. Also interesting that they think the Supra has a better manual than the BMW after Toyota made improvements to the BMW manual. Maybe BMW should look into it? People continue to complain about the Supra pedigree but hard to complain much about the its actual mechanicals/performance/price. We waited almost 30 years for a new Supra, 100% from Toyota & it never happened, likely never would have. Both put the Supra #1, with one putting the M2 2nd, the other 3rd
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I have no skin in the game here but man, gotta say, for the money the Supra appears a good buy if you can live with the cramped quarters.
Why am I buying an M2 if it weighs damn near an M3? Other than the M3 actually managing to be even uglier? Tell you what, a CPO f30 is not a bad looking option. Said it before and will say it again, a 15 year old 997.2 PDK is the same price with about 50,000 miles. Now a 997 is a 997 and the steering is telepathic and the engine naturally aspirated but the ride is harsh and has no mod-cons like the Supra. It's a pretty compelling package if you want a new sports car and TBH I don't see anything but a Cayman feeling more like a sportscar than the Supra. Last edited by Alfisti; 07-21-2023 at 12:24 PM.. |
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If it's not your only car it will work fine I daily the Supra the first 2 months of ownership and it was doable Surprised at how much stuff fits in the hatch I'm not a large fella and at only 5-8 the headroom was perfect |
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Yeah agreed re. Cayman, I meant it's the only "sportier" car I can think of than the Supra below say 100K unless you go underpowered like a Miata. I know a GT stang PP2 or the right Camaro is very capable but they are much larger and heavier.
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I know you’re only talking about new cars, but lightly used Evora 400/GT and Alfa Romeo 4C are worthy alternatives. Lightweight, tossable, and none of that electric power steering nonsense.
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