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Some people choose to believe it is, and other choose to believe it's not. I think you are mistaken.
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It sounds like you think we've reached the limits of the BEV and technological advancements are either too difficult or impossible. That's what they said about stricter emissions standards on the ICE, and we managed to make those improvements. Why would the BEV be exempt from the same efforts in innovation? It honestly sounds like people just don't want to try because of some ideological belief.
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Sure, the problem is the disruption of EVs is the only one that's being permitted. Do you think switching over to hybrids with synthetic fuels would not be a disruption? It's single-minded and foolish to put all your eggs into one basket (don't come back with "but hydrogen and fuel cells!!" - everyone knows this is not scalable and won't be any time soon)
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At this point, I'm only replying to make it aware that this isn't an echo chamber. The opinions are as diverse as can be with plenty of valid points on both sides. Many people have already made up their minds and have chosen the hill they will die on. For those who are still open minded, willing to soak up new info and different opinions, my replies are for them. The loudest voices aren't always the most correct.
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People should feel free to embrace their own beliefs, but should also be open to challenge when those beliefs are held up as having been formed by equal merits. if my Dr. tells me to try a dietary change, I'm more inclined to listen than if my landscaper gives me the same advice. My Dr. may be wrong, but it's less likely, and his advice is probably based on a lot more relevant experience, and he probably used a more scientific process to come to his conclusions. Not all opinions/ideologies are equal. Believe what you want, but consider your source while you are at it. |
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In this particular instance, I was referring to the argument regarding carbon fuels "killing the planet", in which case I would probably trust an environmental or chemical engineer over an electrical or mechanical engineer. I trust one role would be proficient in assessing the difficulty and plausibility of a project, and the other in whether or not the project is necessary. Those are largely mutually exclusive issues that somehow have to become mutual. Ex: Design team tells engineers they have to make X to meet a goal. Engineers tell them it's too difficult and close to impossible. They are both right.
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall when someone claims to a chemical or environmental engineer that what they have studied their whole academic and professional career aren't "sorted out". I do know people who work at NASA who would love to dress down such a comment. FYI they do employ many chemical and environmental engineers for their Mars projects. They are, after all, very interested in Mars for what it's history tells us about our own planet. That's something I don't think a mechanical or electrical engineer is qualified to dismiss as not "sorted out". I'd also argue that science, even electrical and mechanical engineering sciences are never completely settled. Once we believe it is, we've stopped allowing ourselves to learn, and science is always learning and correcting itself. Case in point, while the understanding of any complex model, like climate change, quantum mechanics, even cancer, is growing, that also involves correcting inaccuracies, since becoming more accurate means observing how inaccurate it was previously. Skeptics who dismiss scientific models wholesale by using self-correction as proof of ineptitude don't understand how necessary self-correction is to science. It's a contradiction. The ability to change actually makes it more credible since the priority is truth, not dogma, even if they have to admit they were wrong in the past.
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That's a bombshell of a claim that I'm sure like minded people love to hear because it sounds convincing. But you haven't really backed it up.
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I actually wasn't sure if he wanted me to math out what it would look like if you put a solar panel on every single house in California. I checked this thread and felt like doing some off the cuff math because why not. There are a total of 14.5 million single family homes in California. Average solar panel installation size seems to be between 3-5kW, so we'll use an average of 4kW We know that tracking panels ala what solar farm installations use have at best case 30% of their nameplate as average generation, and that the tracking adds around 8% efficiency. Just to be really nice and say that solar panels are going to be great, lets be optimistic and say 30%. If every single family house installed an average of 4kW of panels, it would be a total installation of roughly 58GW worth of solar (wow!) with a "realistic" best case scenario of adding ~17.4GW of total average generation, which still isn't quite good enough to cover all these cars. Realistically, because of how panels work, your real power curve looks something like this; What would this mean? California's issue of having too much solar generation during the day would become a very serious issue, with the vast majority of that generation happening around noon seeing a full 50+GW being shoved into the grid. All this power would need to be sold to other grids to prevent overload, or generation would need to be shut (opposite of a peaker plant). Magic meme batteries ain't gonna do shit when you're talking this scale of power, unless every single house also has some battery back to try and help be a "decentralized" grid. I'd recommend reading this, it's a little dated but a great article. https://seekingalpha.com/article/426...become-obvious
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It's wrong to suggest that there isn't an overwhelming body of science that substantiates the prediction, made over 100 years ago, that fossil fuel combustion has caused significant warming. |
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It's wrong to suggest that there isn't an overwhelming body of science that substantiates the prediction, made long ago that we can't keep adding load to the grid |
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It's comical that a couple of posters don't have a sense of humor and failed to recognize a tongue in cheek joke about flatulence. Yet ignore the other parts of my post such as where their pie in the sky hopes of California meeting this 2035 lofty goal dependent on a utility which was found civilly responsible and under criminal charges for their shear negligence. Negligence that lead to a number of human deaths and property/environmental destruction.
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You are insinuating that we would be more efficient without emissions and fuel consumption regulations. That's not a prediction, and, like you said, it "can't be backed up either." Quote:
It simply seems like people are against the ICE ban because they do not believe in climate change and our role in it. IMHO that is a position of convenience.
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That's not the same scenario I described at all.
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I say "How do we solve this problem so we can reach our goal."
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You state you will trust an (we need to do X) expert that says some need for X solution is valid. You say you will also trust an (this is how it will get done) expert that the proposal to address X will required Z time/resource. Correct? When the (this is how it will get done) expert says Z can't be accomplished to address X as proposed, you then question his expert conclusion as if it were some opinion? Is it not then reasonable for others to question the conclusion of the (we need to do X) guy too? Follow your own reasoning to conclusion, this thread is the result. If you only trust experts that agree with you, you aren't practicing science, you are practicing ideology. |
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