Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Close - It real life, but also theater. The world is a stage….

Theater is exactly what identity hires over qualifications is. Poshly progressive!
Ugh

Who can forget fluid lipstick boy. You know, the womens luggage thief.
Golf clap for another awesome hire.

[R N M]

What really has not been addressed by the media and Environmentalists is the huge negative impact of EVs.

1 - The actual mining of rare earth metals needed for these batteries.
2 - The electric grid that powers EVs is done by coal and in some places natural gas. The amount powered by wind/solar is a drop in the bucket.

Also it doesn’t solve the issues of the main transportation pollutants - Cargo ships, cruise ships, private yachts, planes, private jets, trucks, heavy duty equipment etc.

We are turning the whole auto industry upside down without any meaningful data that shows long term environmental improvements.

It’s all a play to make $$$ and regular folks will suffer the burden due to higher purchase costs for new vehicles, higher energy costs (gas and electricity) and eventually higher registration costs for EVs to make up for loss of gas tax.

Sad that people are too preoccupied to see what’s happening and the ones that point this out are ridiculed for being against climate change.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by R N M

What really has not been addressed by the media and Environmentalists is the huge negative impact of EVs.

1 - The actual mining of rare earth metals needed for these batteries.
2 - The electric grid that powers EVs is done by coal and in some places natural gas. The amount powered by wind/solar is a drop in the bucket.

Also it doesn’t solve the issues of the main transportation pollutants - Cargo ships, cruise ships, private yachts, planes, private jets, trucks, heavy duty equipment etc.

We are turning the whole auto industry upside down without any meaningful data that shows long term environmental improvements.

It’s all a play to make $$$ and regular folks will suffer the burden due to higher purchase costs for new vehicles, higher energy costs (gas and electricity) and eventually higher registration costs for EVs to make up for loss of gas tax.

Sad that people are too preoccupied to see what’s happening and the ones that point this out are ridiculed for being against climate change.

I've written this repeatedly in this thread.

The real elephant in the room is the impact on the petrochemical industry. Fuels and chemicals distilled from crude oil are created at fixed ratios to one another. The ratios are not simply or easily or cheaply changed. The ratios are fixed by the design of the distillation infrastructure. A chemical plant just can't decide to make 50% gasoline, 15% jet fuel, and 30% diesel from a barrel of oil one day, then the next day make 30% gasoline, 25% jet fuel, and 40% diesel. So if the wealthy want to fly their private jets to Davos to have a climate summit, the ratio of jet fuel distilled still to get there nets the same amount of gasoline out of the barrel of crude used to make the jet fuel.

The eventual economic impacts are going to be severe.

[Car-Addicted]

It's amazing the Green cult fails to understand the massive quantity of products produced from Petrochemicals.

The Petrochemical Products Flow Chart


Efthreeoh is completely correct that from a barrel of oil the ratios of derivatives from crude oil are somewhat fixed. So you can't just refine crude for everything but gasoline.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

It's amazing the Green cult fails to understand the massive quantity of products produced from Petrochemicals.

The Petrochemical Products Flow Chart


Efthreeoh is completely correct that from a barrel of oil the ratios of derivatives from crude oil are somewhat fixed. So you can't just refine crude for everything but gasoline.

I see . So the green plodders expect us to wash in just water with not even tar soap available in the future,,,

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I see . So the green plodders expect us to wash in just water with not even tar soap available in the future,,,

From what I hear there is plenty of whale blubber to make soap from...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by fcman

Actually, this stemmed from me calling into question your claim about BMW’s reputation for reliability or durability. My anecdotes for sure don’t prove anything, I completely agree since they were part of a different discussion. We had a brief discussion about actual reliability/durability and then you made a claim about their reputation, which is the topic of debate at this point. You still have not addressed the argument, but fair enough this went off the rails a bit. I’ll give you a chance to provide proof that BMWs have a reputation for durability (if that’s what you want to call it).

If you want to get back to the discussion about ACTUAL reliability or durability, that’s fine as well once we have concluded this branch of the debate.



If you think this brings validity to your statements, this is an appeal to authority fallacy

Well...

https://www.slashgear.com/1375535/5-...nes-bmw-built/

"BMW has a long-established reputation for making dependable, durable vehicles. Last year's Consumer Reports owner satisfaction survey placed BMW third among all manufacturers for the model years 2000-2022 in terms of reliability. Part of the reason BMW has been able to build and keep such a faithful following among its drivers has been the steadily evolving lineup of powerful and trustworthy engines the Munich-based automaker has been producing since the 1970s."

[AmuroRay]

EVs give off harmful levels of emf radiation.

[Car-Addicted]

A review on Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) and the reproductive system
Many studies have shown that electromagnetic fields can have destructive effects on sex hormones, gonadal function, fetal development, and pregnancy. So people must be aware of the negative effects of EMFs. Although the impact of the waves varied at different frequencies, it is better to stay as far away as possible from their origin because of the risks associated with exposures to these waves. In addition, people can use of natural antioxidants to help reduce the effects of these waves.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014506/

No better way to reduce green house gases that to depopulated the planet. Any one think this is a issue for the Globalist Grifters?

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

A review on Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) and the reproductive system
Many studies have shown that electromagnetic fields can have destructive effects on sex hormones, gonadal function, fetal development, and pregnancy. So people must be aware of the negative effects of EMFs. Although the impact of the waves varied at different frequencies, it is better to stay as far away as possible from their origin because of the risks associated with exposures to these waves. In addition, people can use of natural antioxidants to help reduce the effects of these waves.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014506/

No better way to reduce green house gases that to depopulated the planet. Any one think this is a issue for the Globalist Grifters?

To be fair, the absence of any meaningful wage growth for literally anyone but the 1%, the ever expanding gap of wealth inequality. Not to mention the insane cost of raising a child is depopulating the first world plenty fine already, add that to the defunding of public education forcing more cost onto parents to look for private education, lacklustre public health all are defenitely contributing factors

[KRS_SN]

The future is secure. The next generation is on the ball.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...imate-policies

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

The future is secure. The next generation is on the ball.

"The case argues that the human rights of the six young people are not being upheld by the European nations: their right to life, their right to be free from inhuman or degrading treatment, their right to privacy and family life, and their right to be free from discrimination."

I remember being young and stupid.

[gblansten]

Thought this was cool on lithium refining,from May 2023:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-lit...groundbreaking

And this was a patent filing by them in 2021:

https://www.mining-technology.com/ne...um-extraction/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Thought this was cool on lithium refining,from May 2023:

Interesting but:
"high lithium loss from the subsequent removal of the impurity elements may significantly lower overall lithium extraction efficiency."
Will people who have ignored the environmental damage their cars cause buy Tesla's because they are being more responsible?
Does any think China gives a flying F about the environment?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Interesting but:
"high lithium loss from the subsequent removal of the impurity elements may significantly lower overall lithium extraction efficiency."
Will people who have ignored the environmental damage their cars cause buy Tesla's because they are being more responsible?
Does any think China gives a flying F about the environment?

This looks like good news to me. Just seems interesting to watch some innovation with this issue. China is shi&t. Agreed. Fossil fuels at current usage aren’t great for the environment either. My hope is that we can improve technologies that improve processes.

By vertically integrating lithium refinement Tesla can likely be okay financially with lower yields.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Thought this was cool on lithium refining,from May 2023:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-lit...groundbreaking

And this was a patent filing by them in 2021:

https://www.mining-technology.com/ne...um-extraction/

Oh dear ..they can't make proper cars..now they want to make their own batteries

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Oh dear ..they can't make proper cars..now they want to make their own batteries

Seem to be doing fine on sales/revenue and valuation.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This looks like good news to me.
By vertically integrating lithium refinement Tesla can likely be okay financially with lower yields.

Didn't mean to imply it wasn't good. Musk seems to have a grasp on how to build successful business's. With Lithium mines in Nevada and rail transportation he may have a good business model on this. Problem is if the current trend in Europe comes to America then we will see a glut of cheap Chinese EV's.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Didn't mean to imply it wasn't good. Musk seems to have a grasp on how to build successful business's. With Lithium mines in Nevada and rail transportation he may have a good business model on this. Problem is if the current trend in Europe comes to America then we will see a glut of cheap Chinese EV's.

You make a great point about Chinese EVs.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Seem to be doing fine on sales/revenue and valuation.

Perhaps so do McDonalds....

[M5Rick]

It could be all over for EV's, plunging sales with poor range and 'charger rage' who on earth wants to go through this crap.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It could be all over for EV's, plunging sales with poor range and 'charger rage' who on earth wants to go through this crap.

This is one of the best Video's on the demand and the economics of adopting the EV. This is why the Democrats must force the adoption of EV's by removing the ICE from consideration.