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I'm wondering if this is an attempt for "///M" to branch further away from BMW and become it's own manufacturer? Sort of like what Ram did with Dodge and what I'm assuming Mustang is starting to do with Ford.
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the people making these decisions are soy-latte people who drive i3s around all day FYI.
Also why does no one mention cooling? its a significant aspect of a turbo car. |
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01-17-2020, 10:29 AM | #400 |
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Nice move, now they have a reason to raise the price of M340
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01-17-2020, 10:37 AM | #402 | |
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Also, in the mind of a true enthusiast, the "performance" is much broader term than 0-60 or a 1/4 mile number. M550 is not an M because it has completely different steering, transmission, drivetrain, suspension, and many other pieces that are optimized to work together well in an M model |
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01-17-2020, 10:38 AM | #403 | |
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I am talking real cars here....I don't even know what an A Class looks like. 300 horsepower on an AMG? My SL55 had almost 500.....FIFTEEN YEARS AGO! Here is the REAL question....let's see how many people want the M-Performance cars if they start changing residuals for those models to mirror actual M cars (lease mileage overage, too).
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I said the M5 has 17% Better performance than an M550 - that's not a perceptible difference.
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01-17-2020, 10:54 AM | #405 |
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When does the 114i European customer wants to be an REAL M customer? Why not say M114i when the car has an M Sport package? Stupid marketing bla bla
For me a car is a real M when its developed by M in Garching and not in the FIZ in Munich |
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M is now also used for the new bmw performance motorbikes, so at this point it is proving us that this use of the M brand is more a German corporate branding exercise rather than a strategic will to transfer high performance technology from racing into exclusive sport models... to move to the M being a M own brand can be, but its already too diluted into standard models as rightly claimed by M owners What I mean by standard car is a car developed to drive everyday in all conditions, with the aim of security, luxury and confort and it should be powerful as it is a BMW. But that is not what M cars are made for... The highjacking of the M brand representing the sport division of past legendary racing cars can make sense if this drives further investments and gives BMW even more capability to develop models that can compete with Porsche and Lotus on track, but being more fun, less flashy and polyvalent at a competitive price. As a last word, BMW should treat more carefully this M brand matters and its community of owners, the bridge to other brands like Porsche, Lotus or even Mustang in the US makes the conversion so easy and its happening. How many M4 owners move to GT3/4 if not a strong BMW M brand can keep them loving and enjoying their M car M town was a nice concept ... the spirit of it should now be followed by the same people who agreed to it ... at least we know they said yes to the com agency🥳 |
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01-17-2020, 10:59 AM | #407 | |
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While M340i is nice car - it doesn’t compare to F80 M3 in any way except putting power down in Xdrive form. M3 is better in every other way. BTW as good as the B58 is the S55 is much more explosive and higher revving. I have both engines in my disposal with 2018 M3 Comp and 2020 X3 M40i. |
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Now let's get back to the fun. Here I'll say it to get the party started. M Performance cars are not REAL ///M cars. They are fake! : |
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01-17-2020, 11:11 AM | #409 |
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Also last time I checked a “true” M car besides the M specific engine, trans etc also has M specific styling - hood, mirrors, carbon roof, wider fenders, seats etc. There are so many parts that come together to make an M car. The Mperformance cars are not a full M car.
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Interesting how in the M Town commercials you never see an M340i or M550i...
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To your point about 17% better performance for 25% price premium... It's called the law of diminishing returns. 17% performance increase is a substantial increase. Let's apply this example to school. A student that always gets 100% likely has to work at least 25% harder than the 83% student to get the 17% grade increase. For most people, being a low B student is acceptable and they settle for that score. Again, no issues with it. But that 83% student better not go around claiming to be a 100% A+ student because they aren't. Its a significant difference. To your final point, I highly disagree if you actually think a M550 will be just a half second behind a M5 on a track. In a straight line, maybe its close to M-like performance, but it'll never have M like involvement or M fun factor. Try breaking that rear end loose like an M5 with precision control and not find yourself getting thrashed around like a ragdoll pointing the other direction. |
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Look. The M5 is the best 5 Series you can buy. It's the fastest, most involved one. All I'm saying is you might not NEED all that performance. If you don't, an M550 is a nice choice, and still a car you can enjoy every day with performance better than most previous M cars. That doesn't mean it's NOT an M car.
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01-17-2020, 11:35 AM | #414 |
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"Look at me in my new M i3 guys. It has M sill plates so it's a real M now!"
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01-17-2020, 11:38 AM | #415 |
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Well, a real M car is obviously not:
- a SUV: exit X3M, X5M, etc - a FWD or a AWD: exit M235i, M340i, M5, etc - a sport car that sounds like shit : exit M2C, M3, M4, etc - a boat: exit M6, M8, etc - a car that looks very much like a normal BMW: exit M240i, etc So, in conclusion, my M2 LCI was the last real M-car! 😆 |
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I agree you may not need all that performance and that is 10000% fine. The majority of people just get a thrill out of smacking the gas pedal at the light briefly to get in front of someone and a 335 or even 328 will likely jump the majority of cars out there. They're great daily drivers. I'll never agree though that you can slap a few performance items here and there and then consider an M340/M550 a true M car. We're all entitled to our opinion. I personally think the M moniker should be reserved for the highest tier performance variants as it was originally intended. Those who really care about sports/performance cars will always look at the M2, M3, M4 etc as THE bmw cars to aspire to. I think the current ///Marketing on the non-M cars dilutes what made the M's so special in the first place and that to me is a shame. |
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Funny to see M5s stuck in traffic and crawling at 3MPH like everybody else...
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