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You want 300 ft lbs of low rpm torque, close to 3000 lbs, and naturally aspirated?
Don't we all. That description is what the M2 SHOULD be, but wont. The E9X M has the torque, but not the diet. The cayman S is the perfect package, really. Realistically, if you don't want to rev a car out to get thrust, a turbo is the best thing. Period. Boost is your friend, and BMW makes some great turbo cars. I think you would be really happy with an M235i if you did a "blind" driving test. |
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The 2 Series is really the best car BMW makes right now. Seriously. It drives like a proper BMW too, for the most part.
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There are no small cars made by German manufacturers (Porsche being the exception) at the moment. The S5 is colossal. E9x M3 would be great, but it lacks low torque and is also hugely fat.
I don't know of a naturally aspirated engine outside american muscle that produces good low torque and is also equipped with a manual transmission. Mustang and Challenger SVT are both fat pigs. The C63 AMG would match your wants, all but for that auto box. Dodge started making the Viper SRT-10 again back in 2013. I think they originally went on sale for ~90,000. Maybe you could find a good one used in your price range? I think other folks have it right here: Go for that C7!
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Not sure if you have $70K or will be financing the majority of the car, but have you thought about a build if you do have $70K? For example lets just say you love the way the e30 looks. It could be any car that could be found for inexpensive that has a good starting point for a great build. Find THE ONE that needs restoration and do a complete build. You can buy a crate engine and add all the modern amenities you could ask for. Essentially this way you have a brand new car exactly the way you want. It would take a lot of work, but I'm sure it would be rewarding. Just thinking outside the box. I haven't seen any other mentions of something like this.
ps - I found a few non S 997.2 Carrera's in my area that fit your budget and requirements on Autotrader.
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Was about to give you that exact advice.
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Update: test drove an e89 3.0sdrive and a M235i today. Both manual. the e89 30sdrive was not my deal, I came from a e86 Z4 coupe 3.0si and I could feel the extra weight of the e89 in both acceleration and handling. Somehow I also didn't like the driving position all that much. Car was overall not a good fit for me. M235i: yup my sensitivity to turbos was there again, I could feel turbo lag just as I had when I drove the 135i 5 years ago. The m235i may actually be quicker than my CS but FOR ME, its normally aspirated engine is much more fun and visceral. I will avoid turbos until they stop making NA or supercharged engines. so really the only cars left standing are the S5 and the C7. (thanks to those who suggested the viper but it really too big for me and too impractical to be my only car) |
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Drop a proper 991S engine in your Cayman. It's the car Porsche should make, but won't for fear of eroding 911 sales.
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Cayman S is supposedly driving nirvana, so a Z4 might be a bit underwhelming. C7 Z51, used CLK 63 Black Series (not manual, or 2011), used 1M (Not NA, but torquey and nimble), 2011/2012 Z06 with Z07 package. Sorry 2 of the cars do not really fit your criteria, just felt they were worth looking at in that price range.
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S5 will be more of a "daily driver" type of car and will not feel as light or nimble as the Stingray. If you drive the Stingray, make sure it has the magnetic ride. I believe the S5 has an option for that as well, but the Stingray will definitely be sportscar you're looking for.
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The Alfa 4C might be fun. Maybe wait for the Z2M, although that will be turbo.
The Corvette is a great car for the $. I would get a F80. In fact, I did. Love the engine response. Wish it was lighter, but for all the DD sensibility, it is awesome. And well under $70k.
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