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I could not get over the sound either. Picked up a 981 GTS a few weeks ago to replace a C6 Corvette. Giving up some power vs. a 718 was completely worth it.
I feel that the 981 S/GTS is fast enough for the street. I really like the way the Chevy LS/LT engines sound, but they sound like truck engines compared to the Cayman. Nothing I've owned can match the sound of the flat 6 on the way to its 7800RPM redline. |
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LOL, There he is! Took 16 posts to get the ultimate Porsche fanboy into this thread. I think that it is quite close to a unanimous consensus that the new 4 bangers in the Boxster/Cayman do not sound nearly as nice as the old flat six. Of course the new cars are faster and have substantially more torque, but the bottom line is that they still have a four cylinder engine that sounds terrible. Sometimes I feel like those who buy the Boxster and Cayman's especially the new 4cyl ones are basically the same people who bought 6cyl Ford Mustangs, only with more money. They feel the need to run around and tell everyone how great their cars are to make themselves feel better about a purchase, that let's be honest, is one made only because the 911 wasn't in the budget. Of course - here I sit with my 328i, but I am well aware that I was unable to afford an M3 or 335i and I just enjoy the car for what it is.
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I had a '12 Cayman S, loved that car. Traded it for my '13 C2S two years ago, had a new 718 Boxster when I took it in for service, fast, but I'd never buy one, didn't like the sound or feel of the new engine.
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The 718 gets to max power at 6,500 rpm and then tapers off slightly - the f8x gets to max power at 5,500 rpm and stays flat right until the 7,500rpm redline - it doesn't lose power up top. |
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I had a 2015 c7 and made the exact same truck vs exotic flat 6 sound reference in my comparison of it with my 2014 cayman s |
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For reference, the 718 S actually looks to be canted more towards redline than the S55.
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With respect to the sound, I think the better way to have stated it would have been for me to say that it doesn't sound as nice as the flat six, not that it sounds terrible, because you are right - it doesn't. But I think most would agree that the six does sound substantially better. In addition, I certainly don't think that anyone would compare it to a V6 mustang and I also agree that the new boxster is an awesome car and one I would be happy to own. Where my comments were coming from were not with respect to the car itself, but to certain fanboys (specifically several on this forum) and how they always feel the need to 'justify' the purchase. I think we all need to be honest here and say that while the 718 is a great car, very very few people buy it when they could have easily afforded the 991. They buy it because it is nearly half the price of the 991.
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for what its worth...despite having had 2 981S I have never even driven a 718...zero interest based on automotive journalists who I respect and who share similar views as yours |
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I am aware of literally dozens of folks who could afford both -- myself included -- and chose a 718. In almost every case, it's about what kind of car those people wanted, not about how much car those people could afford. I know of case after case after case of basically this scenario: 'I got the 718 2.0 / S / GTS because I couldn't justify spending $20-$30k more for a 911. I couldn't be happier'. Are there folks who opt to upgrade to a 911 after having a 718? Sure. I know of one person who went from a Cayman S to a 991.2 GT4. But guess what? His wife just bought a 718 Boxster GTS. What does that tell you? As for sound: yes, the flat-6 sounds great. To most, it sounds better than a flat-4. Not gonna sugarcoat that. But I and many others buy cars that perform first, not sound great first -- to me, a great sounding engine is merely a bonus. Those that only consider cars that sound great first -- i.e., who discount a car such as the 718 because of sound alone -- are basically vain posers. All of the above is why I say drive a 718 before passing judgment -- especially if you can drive a 981 either right before or right after. After that, if you don't care for it, no worries. It's not for everyone. But pretty much all of the auto mags that lambasted the 718's engine sound in the beginning -- even over-the-top UK rags such as Autocar -- have come around and have nothing but praise abut the car now. I wonder why that is?
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I believe that I have said countless times that the 718 is probably a better car than the 981 and that it is quite a bit quicker as well and certainly has more torque. I don't think that is in question. This thread related to the sound of the engine, which is nearly undisputed in not being as nice to hear as the old flat six. With respect to your choices - you enjoy what you own, but don't fool yourself, I would imagine that if the 911 was the exact same price as the 718, it is the one you would have purchased. Could you "afford" the 911? Perhaps, I don't know you, but there is a big difference between 'affording' and 'a wise financial decision'. Me personally? I am currently in the market for a particular Italian car. I am looking at the older model (a 2001 model year). Why? Because in my mind, I cannot spend the money on the one I really want - the newer version (2013 model year). Could I technically buy a more expensive newer one? Sure. But would it be smart to purchase car for what would amount to more than my annual salary? Of course not, that would be a stupid financial move. So end result - I cannot really afford that car.
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I'll play along with this discussion. I do not think the 718 sounds bad, especially considering it is 4cyl. I do prefer the sound from the 981 though. I might be one of the odd people out here, but I factor sound into a car purchase. I drive over 35k a year, and a very large chunk of that is my commute. I am lucky though as I do have some very nice driving roads close to me. My daily is an Audi Q5 with the 2.0T, it is comfortable and suits my needs but even that has an AWE exhaust and sport cat. I traded a 2012 Camaro convertible SS manual with full exhaust in for the 235i. It will never sound like the Camaro did, even after my exhaust work is done and I'm fine with that. Again, the whole "American vs Exotic" debate. The 235i is not a daily driver, but a fun car that I can drive to work or on the weekends. It is also a convertible so I think the sound is even more important. Some people buy cars and could care less what they sound like, even people buying something like Porsche, BMW, Ferrari etc... Each person also has an opinion on what they think sounds good. Once the house is paid off, I will probably splurge and get something exotic. If the car does not appeal to my taste in sound though, I don't care how good the car may be as it will not be on my list.
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991: 176"L x 71"W x 51"H 718: 173"L x 71"W x 50"H Not really a disparaging difference and certainly a smaller difference than the M3 vs M5 comment.
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They may be close in size, but the 911 feels much less cramped inside. The mid engine cars handle better, but the 911 puts down the traction much better.
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So now you know that I had a budget, and I stuck with that budget. Your insinuation that I didn't make 'a wise financial decision' is offensive. I don't know you, either, sir, but you really have no right to pass that kind of judgment on someone you don't know. It's absolutely none of your business and has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand.
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All this talk about sound, forgive me for posting this, can't help it My 18yr old truck
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it's a bit like the PDK/DCT vs MT argument - one is technically better, but some people prefer the other.
a turbo motor now does everything better than a NA motor, but just look at the used prices for 997s, 981s E92s etc - there's still a strong demand for NA motors, especially the ones that rev and sound ?better? |
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