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Plus: You don't have to fill a large tanker truck with fuel drive it to the gas station. You can charge at home if you have solar. Centralized power plants are easier to regulate pollution than tens of millions of individual power plants in every single car. Downsides: State policies might not be friendly to natural gas and renewables because of ties to the coal and oil industry Not everyone can charge at home Power grid needs upgrades to meet demand Food for thought: When the ICE was invented, everyone thought there was no way to have enough gas stations to fuel cars and that the ICE would be limited to populated urban areas. Rural areas would not have the infrastructure to fuel cars. The oil industry would not have the resources to meet demand. How wrong we were.
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So with oil and coal lobbying against government bills and policies to upgrade the infrastructure or use cleaner or renewable energy sources in certain states, and a political party arguing against government influence, there is a huge obstacle for said changes. Not only that, they will use the self-created reliance on coal as an argument against the EV! It's self perpetuating. With these obstacles firmly set in place, there is very little incentive to adapt the things you listed. It's simply not enough. We want coal and oil because we have everything in place to getting it easy. The banning of ICE on the manufacturer's side is the only real solution to an immovable object meeting an unstoppable force. One has to give or nothing happens.
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Everyone forgets that it wasn't easy to get oil either. No one thought the automobile would be accessible because we would have to drill for oil, refine it, then transport it to stations around the world for cars to have a usable range to get from A to B and fuel stations all between. You could almost substitute "oil" for "lithium" here. We even have the dilemma of end of life. It's either a used battery, or dirty emissions. It's the same problem with different details. The REAL problem is we don't like the inconvenience of change.
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With an ICE, however, you're locked into fossil fuels.
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In 1913 the first gas station was built. Before that, people got gas from stores. Imagine that. One gas station in the whole world. Now they are everywhere. Eventually, a recharging stop will be as convenient as a fuel stop, except.... no need for underground tanks, so charge stations might even be more plentiful. You can already charge your car going to the grocery store, you can't refuel at the grocery store.
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The same way we built gas stations. Charge times will decrease to 5-10 minutes in years, not decades. Quote:
Who said that? I addressed this earlier, and I don't want this to get political, but you gotta look at who's saying this and why it's almost divided between party lines. Nothing happens by chance, this is all about $$$.
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Who said what? It’s not necessary? You and I both know that the environmental toll is higher from EV vehicles. A gentleman explained above. Mining for the materials, disposal of batteries, charging of the batteries and the energy it takes all have an equal or more environmental impact (And that’s still a minimum compared to other sources on the earth) than fuel-efficient cars with catalytic converter‘s on them. You’re right this is about the money and it has nothing to do with the environment. Once again I’ll say this. Those who are dead serious and actually believe this stuff actually act on it. I will give you an example. My senior year in high school the English teacher was a hard-core environmentalist. This was in the 1980s. The man was thoroughly convinced the world was coming to an end at man’s hand because we were destroying the environment. He lived off grid with solar panels used Rainwater to shower with and for his bathrooms and he rode his bicycle to the high school every day. Now I disagreed with everything that man believed but I had respect for him because he acted upon what he believes. It’s very difficult to take environmental alarmist seriously that hang out on a luxury muscle car forum and drive the most gas guzzling vehicles in existence second only to pick up trucks.. Just saying. Having said that I enjoy the conversation with you. You are very reasonable and polite in your discourse. I appreciate that. |
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It's about profits. Even gas companies will jump in because it'll be in their interest. https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-11012789?op=1 |
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It's amazing with all the internets worth of information (LOL information) today and people still believe some of the same things as they did when the car/ICE came out. For that fact, when the wheel was invented someone probably said who want's that!
Governments and businesses work just as corruptly and smell an opportunity today just as they did then. Infrastructure will get built. BTW glad we actually have an infrastructure bill now, hopefully congress will actually appropriate the money...correctly??? Industry will create new ways to deal with the battery disposal and bla bla bla... I for one want hot swappable batteries rather than charging stations. Do you guys even have any idea how many different battery technologies there are out there? The industry is super fluid now. Choosing which direction to go with your tech sector of your portfolio is like a game of darts! If the government funded fusion projects would ever stay afloat I'm hoping we have fusion reactors in a car some day! How is that for a thread!?! LOL Sure, hydrogen is cool and all but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator Almost same thing as a Tokamak - see below. And this just out moments ago: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/09/uk/nu...ntl/index.html Last edited by FrankMstein; 02-09-2022 at 06:36 AM.. |
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I may be misinformed on this (and welcome being enlightened), but everytime I see the EV case pushed, I ask 'what about the infrastructure to power it?'
To that, I never get a concrete response. For instance, I don't see any new nuclear plants being built out either in the US / Canada - it's all pie in the sky 'we'll figure out something in the future' living on the hope of the future. And the future does hold many wondrous things, but it would be prudent to start planning rather than leave it to chance or lack of direction. All that makes me rather skeptical of the motives of the parties involved .. |
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The Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal’s more than $65 billion investment is the largest investment in clean energy transmission and the electric grid in American history. It upgrades our power infrastructure, including by building thousands of miles of new, resilient transmission lines to facilitate the expansion of renewable energy. It creates a new Grid Deployment Authority, invests in research and development for advanced transmission and electricity distribution technologies, and promotes smart grid technologies that deliver flexibility and resilience. It also invests in demonstration projects and research hubs for next generation technologies like advanced nuclear reactors, carbon capture, and clean hydrogen. Until congress appropriates the money for specifics (ie: pork) it won't get done. This is why voting and representing the people is important not just representing their portfolio/special/crazy (Q) interests. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ental-justice/ |
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