2027 BMW 7-series

[NewQ]

I think it’s becoming more like the 7 insofar as, from what I saw in the videos, it’s more sensitive to color and trim than the pre-facelift.

In black with the chrome trim, I think it’s actually quite good looking and recapturing some of the presence and grill texture as the 80s classic S-Classes. That radar sensor is an eyesore though.

Torn on the interior. Glad the center console is no longer all cheap black plastic, but too many screens and not enough tactile luxury material components. Current 7 still wins and feels more special there.

[SW17LS]

Agreed, its much better looking in black without the night package.

[monkeyman8]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

Well, it looks like the 7 series will enjoy a few more years or crushing Mbenz S sales numbers. That was Mbenz last chance to reverse the current situation and go back to normal, but they didn’t make any notable improvements when they really needed it.

This smiley face on the new facelift S around the gloss-black front is even worse than the smiley face on the 7 in lighter colors with MSport. In fact the lighter color MSport 7s look much better now. I can be more frank on a BMW forum… it looks like Mbenz is trolling their customers with this combo.

I don’t care much about ICE cars, but frankly, it’s sad to see the S class on this path. Just put this front next to all prev generations and u’ll think this is a C or E class hanging around them. Pre-refresh front was not attractive (and just that).. now this one is truly straight ugly not just boring.

Band-aid solution. Overall improvement, but it's a still a mess. This is basically a larger E class, nothing unique about this model other than it's size. Hopefully MB addressed and improved the interior finishing, but at this point nothing surprises me. I'm sure the engineers at MB will be happy to move on from this entire W223 generation.

[luvcars]

Yes, the new S class definitely looks better than the current and black is the way to go to hide that black grille surround which will stand out in other colors.

However, I read in Motortrend the new S class is going to cost about $22k more than the current, this is a huge jump in base price and they think US increase will be similar.

I just hope the new LCI 7 series doesn’t see increase in base price. Not this large anyway!!!

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by monkeyman8

Band-aid solution. Overall improvement, but it's a still a mess. This is basically a larger E class, nothing unique about this model other than it's size. Hopefully MB addressed and improved the interior finishing, but at this point nothing surprises me. I'm sure the engineers at MB will be happy to move on from this entire W223 generation.

It's an improvement for sure, but cosmetically? It's a stepback in all ways. The all-black might be "acceptable" in person but still not attractive (just fine). The dash is honestly awesome (for an EQS, and I personally wanted that dash when I once considered the EQS), but for the main luxury S-class model, that dashboard doesn't fit the car at all..,, Sure would want that dash in an EQS/EQE or E-class. The issue is that I expected power-doors, hands-free driving (especially that the new 7 will also get hands-free also in the city), but nope, it doesn't seem that any of that is immediately available in the US. Take a look at the drive assist system in the iX3 (it's unbelievable... not full dumb autonomous, but better. You are still the driver, but the car engages and drives itself when you are not engaging seamlessly back and forth)

The finishing is tough to predict.. Mbenz interior finish lately isn't the best across all models since covid days.

[A_]

The S-Class with a black grille looks awful.

[A_]

The chrome version is definitely nicer.

[A_]

As I said a few days ago, the dashboard is ugly because the screens are not symmetrically arranged. They are in different places and have thick frames like in old smartphones or tablets from 2008. So, to sum up, the dashboard does not look modern, but at the time of its release, it looked outdated.
And I was hoping that there would be a 40-inch screen on the rear passenger seat, not those tiny screens like in the old 7 series from 2010.

[A_]

What Mercedes has presented means that BMW does not need to rush with the LCI. The current version is fine. They could introduce the LCI at the premiere of the Alpina G73 next year. They could refine something else during this time, especially since the current 7 series is to be produced until the end of 2032.Maybe they'll do a second facelift around 2030. But that's just my guess.

[It's Good]

I think the exterior is more agressive looking and there are appearance and finish alternatives.Think the interior is a definite improvement.Would like to see an option to delete the passenger screen.Hope they address the QC issues.My lease is up on my '25 in October.I really don't want to buy for another 20K miles (even though I love it) and take a chance on a loss at 50k miles.I'm thinking I've got to do something.The renderings and interior descriptions for the LCI 7 definitely concern me.Also the Autobahn Package ARS has spoiled me and is a must have.MB E Active Body Control is 6-7k option.Yikes!!Nice problems to have for an old guy. It will be fun to figure out.Will be pouring over the S class press release for all the nuts and bolts.Genesis G90 anyone?

[monkeyman8]

Originally Posted by A_

As I said a few days ago, the dashboard is ugly because the screens are not symmetrically arranged. They are in different places and have thick frames like in old smartphones or tablets from 2008. So, to sum up, the dashboard does not look modern, but at the time of its release, it looked outdated.
And I was hoping that there would be a 40-inch screen on the rear passenger seat, not those tiny screens like in the old 7 series from 2010.

I can't recall the last time (if one even exists) that the S shared the same interior dash/console set up as the E. To me, this is Mercedes playing catch-up. The first iteration (iPad screen) was a failure and MB had no real solution without a major overhaul which would include pumping tons of cash into developing. This will get them by until the 224 generation comes out(assuming there will be one).

I don't mind the exterior update, except for the cheap looking plastic trim around the grill. As others said, this car will look best in black. Possibly hideous in the wrong color.

This is basically a larger E class will some enhanced luxury and tech. Not the stand alone model the S was always known for being.

If Mercedes really wants to do it right, integrate the screen into a nicely finished and crafted dash. None of these stick-on screens.

[SW17LS]

You guys are funny lol. You're driving the loudest looking car on the road with all kinds of black panels and trim. This is the S Class looking more like the 7 Series.

Mercedes has always made their sedans look similar in just different sizes. The W222 S and W211 E had very similar dash layouts too.

My only issue is all the stars is just garish, Mercedes has always been a brand that has relied on its prestige to come from what it is, that three pointed star on the hood used to say all that needed to be said. Having that star on the exterior 312 places cheapens it.

As for price increases, remember now 4 wheel steering, warmth and comfort, power rear seats, digital light and the AMG line are all standard, so thats over $10k in options right there. (W&C "Exclusive Trim" $3,500, AMG line $4,500, 4 Wheel steering, $1,350, digital light $1,890). So today the car starts at $132,500, my guess is it will start around $145k-$150k. So thats $20k more but you get more...

Would I get it? I dunno, it will depend on the lease costs. Mine right now is at the limit of what I want to spend for a car. The 7 will be cheaper to lease considerably and if I like the refresh I would probably try a 7 out and save some money since "Understated" seems to be gone with either car.

[A_]

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[SW17LS]

I like them both. I like the wide stretch of wood on mine, but I like the more integrated screen on the new one. I also much prefer that beautiful wood console top and surrounds for the window controls to the piano black plastic in those areas on mine.

[A_]

Honestly? I choose the preLCI. The new one looks like it was made quickly, sloppily. I see a mess with those screens and thick bezels around the displays. It feels cheap. The central screen in the PreLCI looks much more modern because it has a thin bezel like new smartphones. In my opinion, this is sabotage by someone in Mercedes management. How can you approve something like this

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by A_

Honestly? I choose the preLCI. The new one looks like it was made quickly, sloppily. I see a mess with those screens and thick bezels around the displays. It feels cheap. The central screen in the PreLCI looks much more modern because it has a thin bezel like new smartphones. In my opinion, this is sabotage by someone in Mercedes management. How can you approve something like this

Neither interiors were considered great. The facelift was a good chance to turn it for the bad ipad design to a better classy design. Instead, they made it worse. I don’t know if either is good enough anyway. Exterior in all black is fine over the current design but a disaster in light color.

[A_]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

Neither interiors were considered great. The facelift was a good chance to turn it for the bad ipad design to a better classy design. Instead, they made it worse. I don’t know if either is good enough anyway. Exterior in all black is fine over the current design but a disaster in light color.

But if I had to choose, I would choose the older dashboard. Those screens with thick bezels are not acceptable to me

[A_]

Originally Posted by monkeyman8

I can't recall the last time (if one even exists) that the S shared the same interior dash/console set up as the E. To me, this is Mercedes playing catch-up. The first iteration (iPad screen) was a failure and MB had no real solution without a major overhaul which would include pumping tons of cash into developing. This will get them by until the 224 generation comes out(assuming there will be one).

I don't mind the exterior update, except for the cheap looking plastic trim around the grill. As others said, this car will look best in black. Possibly hideous in the wrong color.

This is basically a larger E class will some enhanced luxury and tech. Not the stand alone model the S was always known for being.

If Mercedes really wants to do it right, integrate the screen into a nicely finished and crafted dash. None of these stick-on screens.

I don't understand this. The S-Class got the interior from a cheaper E-Class. I hope this won't happen with the 7 Series

[SW17LS]

People literally bitched to high hell over the old dashboard. I think the new one will be just fine.

As for the E never looking like the S...

2020 E Class:



2020 S Class:

[BMW5and7]

True. E and S have almost always shared 95% of the dash for the last couple generations, and that’s not an issue when the dash itself is classy enough for the S.

[SW17LS]

That dash looks pretty classy to me. Its a tech forward car...

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by SW17LS

That dash looks pretty classy to me. Its a tech forward car...

I don’t know what the tech part of it is. Ive seen no tech whatsoever in the short reviews yesterday, or at least, nothing that is impressive on the tech side, or better ore even equal to what am seeing on the BMW side. Even compared to 2020 BMW model years... I hope there is more comming, but the tech forward comment is just “words” at this point. I see that finally phone as key is an option for a 2027 model year, but am not sure there is anything else that is truly more tech forward than the prev one. I’ve seen this screen design concept in the EQS years ago.