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In an attempt to start another argument, what do people think of the 850CSi? It has a WBS chassis, S engine, 6 speed only and a bunch of other chassis changes.
No M in the name though, it is an M more than an m340i, x2 m35, etc etc? |
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Who cares? It only matters for internal designation/training purposes. The cars' model names and capabilities remain unchanged. Fact is M had a hand in making sure the M235i, M240i, M340i, etc. were track capable and worthy to some degree of wearing the M badge. The rest is just marketing and ego dilemma, neither of which matter.
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20 pages now, arguing about a marketing decision.
Mechanically speaking, nothing has changed about these cars. We're essentially arguing semantics. On the one hand, this makes our community look toxic as hell, on the other hand, i totally want to start a drinking game where you have to drink any time anyone claims to not be angry. |
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All of the current cars with any type of M in their name are nice in their own way, but the original M badge signified a track ready or motorsports bred car. Putting an M badge on all kinds of different cars (no matter how great each one is) diffuses the meaning of the label.
What was so wrong with a 335is for example? That is a great car and it didn't need an M on the back to make it so. When you hear the name you know immediately what it is. BMW M used to mean something like Porsche GT. I don't think that is true anymore.
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As an M3 owner I couldn't care less because I love the car I drive and I don't care about what you drive. this thread proves
and justifies why I don't associate or hang out with the BMW guys at the cars and coffees. Did you buy your car because of the model name or the driving experience or to be part of some snotty club. You can call my car whatever you want or slap and letter in the English alphabet on the rear end. It doesn't matter at all. I'm just hear so I don't get fined. |
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As a driver of, what some would call a real M, I accept the Performance models in the family. M340i is a great car from what I‘ve heard.
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SMFH ///M corporate management boys who have never taking an engine apart in their lives are STILL defending the badge thinking their M is handcrafted in a special ///M plant like a Bugatti, let me be a bearer of bad news it's all off an assembly line in Regensburg and Munich just like any other BMW.
You want to get down to the FACTS people? Let's talk F-in facts, fact is that the N54 which is also in the 1M engine as well as the 335i was BMW's first mainstream turbo engine and baseline for the S55. Both have forged cranks, forged rods, and open aluminum deck and cast pistons making some of the best blocks in the auto market. BMW just advanced the components such as a mechanical pump versus an electronic pump. I've taken apart a E92 M3 and F80 M3 in my buddy's shop: sure better control arms, struts, sway bars and end links, but let me tell you still shit compared to high end after market parts. Shit intercooler, shit crank hub, shit driveshaft on the E92. Shit bushing and mounts. Shit rod bearings. And who's not to say that all these "upgraded" shit components are not in the M340i, with both now having a locking differential and I hear the ZF8 is better than that DCT and going in the 2020 M? Say what to that. Is an $130,000 M850i that much less quality built than an M8, I f-in doubt it. Do you F80 and F10 M guys pull up to a M850i and say "well that's not an ///M..." So unless someone here who knows engines, a BMW engineer or certified mechanic gets me a f-ing tech sheet of side-by-side comparisons of all the internals and components of M340i compared to to an F80 S55 everyone needs to STFU as it's all hearsay. NOT one damn person in 20 f-ing pages has broken down the engineering and schematics of these cars just a bunch assumptions i.e. ass out of you and me. |
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It isn't just the materials, but what the car is designed for and/or how the materials are used that differentiates the models. An M3 after all is really just a modified 320i. Just like a GT3 is a modified 911. A Mustang GT500 is a modified GT, etc. An M340i is a great street car, but you should be able to take an M3 to the track and lap it faster and for longer. The two cars should feel different too. If not then what is the point of having the different models? The price differences aren't so great between for example an M340i vs an M3 that we should expect a substantial difference in parts quality. What is different is the engineering and the goal for each model. However, in the old days we used to get a bespoke motorsport engine at least (ie s65).
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