Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by NikMN

You got me wrong Addicted. I like cars that don't sound like a vacuum cleaner and clame to help Jonny polar bear.

Which EVs sound like a vacuum cleaner?

[NikMN]

Maybe appliance would've been a better word. In that case all of the above

[M5Rick]

Looks to me like NYC residents have seen the light, the rest of US I think will soon follow.
EV's are on a road to nowhere with unsustainability.

[NikMN]

That sounds like a cult

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Looks to me like NYC residents have seen the light, the rest of US I think will soon follow.
EV's are on a road to nowhere with unsustainability.

Having NY city in my territory for decades I can tell you for certain that packing those parking garages with overweight EV's will not end well.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by NikMN

That sounds like a cult

CULT noun
A great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work.
A usually small group of people characterized by such devotion.

Yup sounds like a cult to me.

[Car-Addicted]

Yes the ridiculous CAFE standards are a form of EV incentives.

Hmm
Ann Carlson — who is currently the acting administrator for the Department of Tranportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) — will step down from her role on Dec. 26, 2023, and depart the agency entirely at the end of January.

[Car-Addicted]

This is Ann Carlson at work:
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Department of Transportation want to regulate what that will look like. Specifically, the NHTSA has proposed a new set of fuel economy standards for model year 2027 through 2032, as the federal government orchestrates a nationwide push toward EVs by 2035.
In the interim though, this new proposal demands a boost in Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) requirements by 2% per year for passenger cars and 4% per year for light trucks. With previously passed CAFE rules for 2024 through 2026 requiring a fleet average of 49 mpg by 2026, the feds are essentially asking for a fleet average of 58 miles per gallon by 2032. The NHTSA rules would implement the Department of Energy's more conservative petroleum-equivalent-fuel-economy standards for electric vehicles as well.
Heavy-duty trucks and vans are also included in the NHTSA proposal, with a 10% annual increase in fuel economy from model years 2030 to 2035, in a move the agency says would cut the country's total fleet fuel consumption about 48%. Overall, the NHTSA says its proposal would save around 88 billion gallons of gasoline from now until 2050, equating to savings of $52 billion or a reduction in carbon-dioxide emissions of 900 million tons.
NHTSA estimates its proposal would result in a 56% EV market penetration by 2032, according to NHTSA Acting Administrator Ann Carlson.
Naturally, automaker trade groups, such as the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, have already spoken out against such proposals. In citing the EPA's estimate that the proposed rules would add a production cost of $633 per vehicle in 2027, the alliance, which represents Toyota, General Motors, and Volkswagen, said the EPA's rules are "neither reasonable nor achievable." GM Vice President for Global Regulatory Affairs, David Strickland, said the EPA's rules would cost the company $100 billion in CAFE compliance penalties.
Carlson did submit that failing to use EVs to comply with the agency's proposals could result in up to $2.4 billion in penalties by 2031. However, factoring in additional EV production and increased adoption rates, the NHTSA claims non-compliance penalties will be unlikely.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a44689...pg-cafe-rules/

Some people are stupid and some people are evil, I leave you to decide which category Ann Carlson is in.

[Car-Addicted]

Hmmm
Germany to end e-vehicle subsidy programme
Reuters
December 16, 2023
BERLIN, Dec 16 (Reuters) - Germany's electrical vehicle subsidy programme will end prematurely on Monday after paying out some 10 billion euros since 2016, the Economics Ministry said, the latest sign of belt-tightening following the adoption of a revised 2024 budget this week.

The new budget had to be slimmed down after a ruling by Germany's constitutional court that blew a 60 billion euro ($65.36 billion) in the country's state budget and forced the government to shelve some programmes designed to speed up Germany's green transition.

The e-car subsidy was originally intended to apply until the end of 2024. Subsidies already applied for will be paid out but no new applicants will be accepted from Monday.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...me-2023-12-16/

Here in America we just print more money, What could possibly go wrong?

[Car-Addicted]

Any one see the problem here? Bueller, Bueller, Bueller

GM's CEO said 2023 would be 'a breakout year' for EV production. But demand has fallen sharply.
Business Insider
12/15/2023
Mary Barra has transformed General Motors in the nearly 10 years she's been CEO, setting the company up as an early-mover in the electric car market and investing in futuristic solutions like self-driving cars.
After pledging to spend $35 billion on development from 2020 to 2025, this year was meant to be "a breakout year" for EV production she told GM's investors, The Wall Street Journal reported.
On top of factory issues, demand in the US market has stalled as EVs remain too expensive for many consumers and the tight economy has curtailed sales.
In its October third-quarter earnings call, the company announced that it would abandon targets to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of 2024 and another 400,000 by the first six months of 2024.
The company has also wanted to push into the driverless car market, pumping over $8 billion into the San Francisco driverless startup Cruise. But the business has struggled and proved expensive for GM, which has an 80% stake in the startup.
Earlier this month, Cruise's new boss Mo Elshenawy said that the company "all-time low" after recalling its entire fleet of driverless cars following an accident.

That would be the driverless GM group "Cruise" that will slash 24% of its workforce and that the unit's CEO Kyle Vogt and co-founder Dan Kan both resigned last month?
Prediction: Mary Barra will be unemployed buy he end of 2024
While voters seem to accept stupid, stock holders don't.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Any one see the problem here? Bueller, Bueller, Bueller

GM's CEO said 2023 would be 'a breakout year' for EV production. But demand has fallen sharply.
Business Insider
12/15/2023
Mary Barra has transformed General Motors in the nearly 10 years she's been CEO, setting the company up as an early-mover in the electric car market and investing in futuristic solutions like self-driving cars.
After pledging to spend $35 billion on development from 2020 to 2025, this year was meant to be "a breakout year" for EV production she told GM's investors, The Wall Street Journal reported.
On top of factory issues, demand in the US market has stalled as EVs remain too expensive for many consumers and the tight economy has curtailed sales.
In its October third-quarter earnings call, the company announced that it would abandon targets to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of 2024 and another 400,000 by the first six months of 2024.
The company has also wanted to push into the driverless car market, pumping over $8 billion into the San Francisco driverless startup Cruise. But the business has struggled and proved expensive for GM, which has an 80% stake in the startup.
Earlier this month, Cruise's new boss Mo Elshenawy said that the company "all-time low" after recalling its entire fleet of driverless cars following an accident.

That would be the driverless GM group "Cruise" that will slash 24% of its workforce and that the unit's CEO Kyle Vogt and co-founder Dan Kan both resigned last month?
Prediction: Mary Barra will be unemployed buy he end of 2024
While voters seem to accept stupid, stock holders don't.

It's the same problem since day one, batteries are expensive to manufacture and make for lousy energy storage devices at the scale a practical automobile needs. With a real, practical winter range of under 200 miles and 40+ minutes to refuel, most of the market doesn't want the technology.

It's been a 50-year wet dream of environmentalists (mostly from California) to drive ourselves around in an electric car charged by the sun (and more recently wind) with no tailpipe exhaust. They are going to force it on all of us (goddammit) regardless if it makes engineering or economic sense.

If EVs got 400 miles a battery load, recharged in 5 minutes anywhere you go, and cost $35K, the market would buy them like hotcakes. Maybe the technology will get there someday, but without massive artificial market manipulation it will never happen. The cost to make the transition is even more than money-printing US politicians are starting to realize and perhaps are willing to actually spend.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Yes the ridiculous CAFE standards are a form of EV incentives.

Hmm
Ann Carlson — who is currently the acting administrator for the Department of Tranportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) — will step down from her role on Dec. 26, 2023, and depart the agency entirely at the end of January.

Is it who I think it is in the EV, OMG everyone off the road quick.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Is it who I think it is in the EV, OMG everyone off the road quick.

Yeah . It's sleepy Bernie , he's lost again.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . It's sleepy Bernie , he's lost again.

...and he can't find a charger

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Having NY city in my territory for decades I can tell you for certain that packing those parking garages with overweight EV's will not end well.

There's really bad news for all of us !

[KRS_SN]

There is not much profit in setting up chargepoints or supercharger network (no wonder it's being opened up and government subsidies are accepted).

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=///M Power-Belgium;30739966]There's really bad news for all of us !
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That's just one persons viewpoint and unsubstantiated from what I see in UK at least, EV insurance rates are rocketing twice or thrice and even more for the known reasons taking in all risk assessments. With this in mind EV's are being handed back or sold and people are going back to fuel cars for peace of mind at this cash crisis time with the onslaught of on going exorbitant taxes here.

[gblansten]

This seems like a good idea among many bad EV ideas. It would get rid of the concern over cables being cut and just general maintenance as well. Also vehicles like the Ford Lightning could just have its own longer cable to use the Tesla network.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rZCMnva65fs

[M5Rick]

Final word from Geoff for this year and the message is drive older cars to save the planet..get your mugs quick !
Together with the latest on suspected EV fires.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Having NY city in my territory for decades I can tell you for certain that packing those parking garages with overweight EV's will not end well.

I missed this one C-A, for sure it may be another Luton car park one even without the fire and heat... those EV's can weigh as much as small trucks

[Car-Addicted]

Canada to mandate all vehicles be zero-emission by 2035 because 'wait times' for EVs are 'too long': Report
December 19, 2023
The new legislation, named the Electric Vehicle Availability Standard, will allegedly shorten alleged wait times for EVs.
A senior government official spoke to the Toronto Star, but the outlet agreed not to name the official due to the policy not being made public yet.
"This is helping to solve one of the greatest barriers to EVs uptake: that wait times are too long," the official claimed. "We are making sure that supply is going toward Canadian markets, because one of the issues with EVs is that we're competing against other markets where the actual EVs are being shipped to," the official added.
The law will require that 20% of car sales be electric cars in 2026, 60% in 2030, and of course 100% by 2035. Companies can also reportedly receive credits toward their zero-emission vehicle sales before the regulations are put into effect in 2026.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/cda-ev...zero-emissions

Merry Christmas you Canadians! Considering the EV current sales slump in the Unites States I suspect we can ship them all they want.

[ggunn9]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Remember that what puts a burr under the saddle of a lot of folks is being forced to make a EV purchase. I suspect you would be pretty angry if you were forced to buy a ICE vehicle.

I am not opposed to ICE cars. I sold my X5 but I want an M2,M3 or M4 as my weekend car. I still miss the sound of that BMW straight 6 engine, but I don't miss oil changes and related ICE maintenance. If I didn't have a kid in college. I would be looking for an M2 or M3 this weekend.

I just know my Tesla works for me. Someone commented about Tesla having an advantage because they have a charging network. I assume when Tesla started that they had far less money than GM or Ford. Tesla had a vision and went for it. Notice how all the other EV makers are going to the NACS charging system now. (Tesla plug)