Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Is the government really thinking about saving the world or they just want to keep spending money. One thing for sure, we need to grow more money trees

If the city is bleeding money it isn’t sensible to spend unnecessarily on EV firetrucks. A lot of homeless people could be housed for those millions.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ed-theres-fire

Things like this come to my mind a lot every time they talk about their 'net zero' nonsense.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

It touch on everything about EVs. Lots of interesting facts

https://www.city-journal.org/article...ctric-vehicles

Pipboy says it all at the end of the article.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Pipboy says it all at the end of the article.

My point against EVs is very simple. At this point of time, the move to EVs is largely political and taxpayer money. If you own one and you bought it with your own money, I don't care.

[M3WC]

With EV Demand Soft, GM CEO Says The Company Will Offer Plug-In Hybrid Models In The US


https://jalopnik.com/with-ev-demand-...fer-1851209262

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M3WC

With EV Demand Soft, GM CEO Says The Company Will Offer Plug-In Hybrid Models In The US

Yet another Mary Barra failure She really needs to run for public office with her record.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

To save the earth, we just need to tax everyone except the 1% more

Fixed it for you

[Lady Jane]

Don't be like Greta, Be like Mo.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

My point against EVs is very simple. At this point of time, the move to EVs is largely political and taxpayer money. If you own one and you bought it with your own money, I don't care.

I know someone who went down to the docks to collect his Tes after paying for it in full, he's after the retirement age and still works, also has the comfort of home charging on his driveway. I think he did the deal all on line.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

amazing what the free market can do with a little help from DARPA.

the government tax spenders are wasting billions of tax payer dollars on technology

Do you see the irony in these two statements?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Do you see the irony in these two statements?

No Reading is Fundamental to understanding the thread.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by gonzo

"The Chinese government will have nothing to do with our Michigan EV plant"
Ford Motor Company February 2023.

Investigation results released today:

"Ford Motor Company is planning to contract technology and software from at least four Chinese firms that supply similar services to the Chinese government and military, and the North Korean government"


What a tangled web they've woven.

"Former CIA Director and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told lawmakers that a proposed electric vehicle battery plant in Michigan could be used for Chinese espionage"

Ya think?

It's as if the guvnure, who strongly pushed for the plant even after warnings, is somehow tied to China.

Ya think?

[gonzo]

The desperation is getting comical, if not outright absurd.

"Montauk, Fishers Island in New York, Martha’s Vineyard, and Nantucket in Massachusetts will now be classified as “low-income” and eligible for EV charger subsidies"

NOTHING will surprise me as this crew winds their time up.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gonzo

NOTHING will surprise me as this crew winds their time up.

That's cute, you think this is over on January 20, 2025.

[Car-Addicted]

Some good news to start the day.
China EVs: lithium producers Ganfeng, Tianqi issue profit warnings, blame price plunge for battery material as stocks sink
31 Jan, 2024
The two producers of the metal that powers EV batteries expect 2023 net profit to decline by as much as 80 per cent
Ganfeng shares dropped 5 per cent and Tianqi declined 5.9 per cent on Wednesday in Hong Kong
“Due to the cyclical [nature] of the lithium industry and the growth rate of [end-user] demand slowing down, [there was] a significant decrease in the price of lithium-salt products,” Ganfeng said in its filing to Hong Kong’s bourse.
“In 2024, we believe the focus will be on the supply side,” said Daiwa’s analysts in the report. “De-capacity is the name of the game.”
https://www.scmp.com/business/commod...ttery-material



The spirit of the age media can lie all they want but the financial news can generally be trusted to tell the facts. Money flows to where it profitable.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Okay. In order to save the planet I will stand here and freeze to death until my eco car is charged. By then, I might remember where I'm going.


Attachment 3374967

Well Jane , that was your own choice

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well Jane , that was your own choice

Hi stranger.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Hi stranger. Attachment 3377676

I'm not sure about that , actually I'm very well known at this forum ...

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

It touch on everything about EVs. Lots of interesting facts
https://www.city-journal.org/article...ctric-vehicles

This is a very interesting article. Worth the read. Shocked it's from City Journal

Tapping the Brakes on Electric Vehicles
Jan 29 2024
Couple highlights
Facts and context matter. The world in 2023 saw, according to NOAA, a new peak in global CO2 emissions. The claimed 122 megatons cut by EVs sounds big, but it amounts to only 0.03 percent of global emissions. For context, oil-burning war-machines in Ukraine are adding at least that much CO2 to the atmosphere yearly.

The problem is that you can’t measure an EV’s CO2 emissions.

The CO2 emissions arising from building an EV before it gets driven revolve around a simple fact: a typical EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. That half-ton battery is made from a wide range of minerals, including copper, nickel, aluminum, graphite, and lithium. Accessing those minerals requires digging up and processing some 250 tons of earth per vehicle. All that mining, processing, and refining uses hydrocarbons and emits CO2. The critical fact found in the technical literature is that those upstream emissions vary by 300 percent or more, depending on where and when materials are mined and processed. At the higher end of known ranges, upstream battery emissions can wipe out emissions avoided by not driving a gasoline car.

But the rate of EV adoption will slow long before there’s a battery-dominated future because, again, we’ll run out of money, copper, and political tolerance for enriching other nations—especially China, where 50 percent to 90 percent of the critical materials are now produced and will be for years yet, no matter how lawmakers rewrite the sourcing regulations. And if proposed EPA rules for an EV-dominated future do become law, count on millions of very unhappy consumers, otherwise known as voters.
https://www.city-journal.org/article...ctric-vehicles

Thank you eugenebmw for the original post.

[RM7]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-pip...142035973.html

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by RM7

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-pip...142035973.html

For some folks that seem to need a reminder.
Uses of Natural Gas
Natural gas is an important fuel and a raw material in manufacturing.
https://geology.com/articles/natural-gas-uses/

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

For some folks that seem to need a reminder.
Uses of Natural Gas
Natural gas is an important fuel and a raw material in manufacturing.
https://geology.com/articles/natural-gas-uses/

fire and explosion hazard, looks dangerous

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by RM7

fire and explosion hazard, looks dangerous

My understanding is that only EVs are flammable. We should all take five right now and think of the children.