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And we won't even bring up Multi-21. They plainly favored VET at the expense of WEB. This is Red Bull and what they do to their 2nd drivers. Not even a whiff of fairness. This is why I'm quite interested to see Checo in the team. I suspect that fireworks will erupt very soon.
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^^ It was like a scene from keystone cops running around but with tyres,George and Bot must have thought -'don't bring me down'...
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In any case...He is less likely to put up with any nonsense from Red Bull than a lot of other drivers. its the dodgy calls to box that he has to watch out for. |
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01-13-2021, 02:49 PM | #48 | |
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01-13-2021, 04:03 PM | #50 | |
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I don’t think the coach and team should have different goals. Success will be at its height when both are aligned and it’s measurable. I believe a coach may have a different idea about HOW to achieve this result, but everyone should have the same end game in mind. |
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01-13-2021, 06:00 PM | #51 | |
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Thanks for starting this thread, it has triggered some fun debate, like others I cannot wait to see the RBR dynamics in 2021. A serious question.. do you genuinely think RBR are pulling nonsense with drivers (and yes I think the “joint blame“ stunt with Daniel was a factor in him leaving)?
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01-14-2021, 04:46 AM | #53 | |
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it seems like Red Bull have been trying to emulate (in part) the successful Schumacher Ferrari years. The key element of which was focussing all their energy and resources on their #1 driver while (in Ferraris case) their #2 drivers actually did get screwed. The principle target for Red Bull's F1 program is not exactly the same as Ferraris but rather to generate maximum media coverage. As part of that, Red Bull have tried to create a narrative where Verstappen is the best driver in F1 (who would beat Hamilton in the same car) and "destroys" his team mates. Its interesting that Red Bull/Verstappen are now trying to rewrite history to suit the narrative, claiming that Verstappen beat Ricciardo (in the end) when that is clearly not the case. The excuse for not winning championships is because Mercedes have this massive performance advantage. Dropping in the occasional suggestion that the Merc car is maybe not completely legal..the Dutch fans love that. Prize money and position/points in the constructors championship while not incidental are not primary goals. So back to the question...do [I] genuinely think RBR are pulling nonsense with drivers? Sometimes they have...certainly in the past. With Albon (hired under pressure from the Thai shareholders), at best they were just indifferent to his success. He was useful for testing parts and for playing his role in making Verstappen look good otherwise that was about it. At worst, giving Albon a (sub optimal) contrary set up to Verstappen at nearly every race was a conscious strategy...maybe Red Bull didn't take well to having shareholders pick their drivers for them. The next season with Perez should be interesting...with everything equal I don't think there should be that much between them...but I doubt it will play out like that. Last edited by SenorFunkyPants; 01-14-2021 at 08:55 AM.. |
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01-14-2021, 09:23 AM | #54 | |
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"Coach and team have a different goal than your individual goals." - the two of them may have different goals than your personal goals. While everyone says the main goal is for the team to win, I think reality is almost no one would pull themselves from the game to make this happen. If you offered Bottas a way to win every race next year but MB would come in 2nd in the constructors points he would immediately take it but Toto would not. In the RB example above the team wanted to win the constructors championship, next was to win the drivers championship and the best way to accomplish this goal was to take Webbers wing and put it on Vettel's car. Based on the teams goals Webber should have been happy to contribute but he was very irritated.
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I think I’m well aware of what should be and what happens. I was merely suggesting that when those two align it should be consistent. It should also be the expectation and what a good leader will ensure occurs. Weak leaders cannot provide what is necessary to complete this correlation between individual contributions and team contributions and the alignment of such.
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