Would this make you rethink owning a Tesla?

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Tirade about control aside….


…as it applies to investigations, why wouldn’t you want to help law enforcement solve a case? If it were your family member, you’d want the community to help too.

yeh trouble with the written word, can come across differently.

I don't have much to do with the law, but when it has happened it seems more about dept collecting and ego rather than policing.

I gave my dash cam to traffic in regards to an accident. Thought I was being agood citizen helping ol mate do his job. Spite all that contributed to it happening ol mate tells me there are no accidents any, more just incidents, and hands me a $500 fine.

Then the other day traffic cop again, does a random breath test for alcohol. Gives me the run down, then askes me to pull the plastic wrapper off the disposable tube so I'm holding the wrapper. I do test, then he askes me to remove the tube and says have a nice day.

Another random breathalyzer, 3 lanes, outside for through traffic, middle for brethos, inside for squad cars. Got the place lit up like a christmas tree with blinding flashing lights, and ol mate waves the car in front into the middle lane and ignores me. So I take the through lane. Well didn't that upset ol mates day. $185 fine in front of the stunned wife kids for disobeying a direction.

Traffic police largely bring it on themselves. They see the community as trash, so its easy to have no respect for them. And when governance is breathing down their necks for revenue and quotas its the community that pays, not the cop and his job. I know this as I have a cousin in another department of police. You can pull what if its was your family stuff, but in Australia and my 55 years, if your law abiding not much happens. If your not involved in crime then crime tends not to follow you. We have a good welfare system and no guns, so its pretty subdued really.

Our road toll has remained 1200 a year for decade, but police and governance keep banging on about getting tuff on road users, mean while revenue has increase 3 times from road offences. Its nothing against you personally, its governance and lack of ideas from police. There is no support for kids or car enthusiast to do skids, rather what was got closed down. No encouragement for advanced driver training, no acknowledgement slow cars are just as dangerous as fast, but speed kills but frustrated driver doing a suicidal overtaking maneuver is just their fault. All good to not indicate, but try driving a 50T truck for a day and see how much fun your having because ol mate is too selfish to indicate, when I crush him however it will be his fault I can promise you.

Its just more control, more fines, more regulation and cars with cameras capturing everything allows more control to happen.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jaffles

yeh trouble with the written word, can come across differently.

I don't have much to do with the law, but when it has happened it seems more about dept collecting and ego rather than policing.

I gave my dash cam to traffic in regards to an accident. Thought I was being agood citizen helping ol mate do his job. Spite all that contributed to it happening ol mate tells me there are no accidents any, more just incidents, and hands me a $500 fine.

Then the other day traffic cop again, does a random breath test for alcohol. Gives me the run down, then askes me to pull the plastic wrapper off the disposable tube so I'm holding the wrapper. I do test, then he askes me to remove the tube and says have a nice day.

Another random breathalyzer, 3 lanes, outside for through traffic, middle for brethos, inside for squad cars. Got the place lit up like a christmas tree with blinding flashing lights, and ol mate waves the car in front into the middle lane and ignores me. So I take the through lane. Well didn't that upset ol mates day. $185 fine in front of the stunned wife kids for disobeying a direction.

Traffic police largely bring it on themselves. They see the community as trash, so its easy to have no respect for them. And when governance is breathing down their necks for revenue and quotas its the community that pays, not the cop and his job. I know this as I have a cousin in another department of police. You can pull what if its was your family stuff, but in Australia and my 55 years, if your law abiding not much happens. If your not involved in crime [...]

How is it a “debt collecting” exercise? It looks to me - based on your accounts - that you’re doing something while behind the wheel that seems to draw attention from law enforcement, although I don’t expect you to be fully transparent about it.

Having somebody take a breathalyzer at the scene is S.O.P. Nothing to see there.

You’re making assumptions about what we think. You’ve drawn your conclusions about Australian officers, and frankly, I don’t have the time nor the energy to defend your country’s laws and how your officers apply those laws.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

That's already in the works.

If that's the case I hope then its smart enough to allow you to go 30 over as that what it often takes in the distance provided to do it within the white lines.

Yes you have to speed, and the cop I know knows that, and who knows why the guy doing 85 suddenly has to do 100 once the overtaking lane appears. But the car should be able to detect its position and allow for such speed in that particular stretch of road. I bet it will never go bing bing bing endlessly like your seat belt alarm if you doing 10 under though.

[dreamingat30fps]

Just picked up a 2026 Hyundai Palisade. Built in dash cam using the cameras all around the car like Tesla. So I guess you better add Hyundai to that list of cars you shouldn't buy if you're worried about cops towing your car for dash cam footage. I will also report I've luckily managed to be towed 0 times in my Tesla since this post was originally created. Knock on cyberwood.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

How is it a “debt collecting” exercise? It looks to me - based on your accounts - that you’re doing something while behind the wheel that seems to draw attention from law enforcement, although I don’t expect you to be fully transparent about it.

Having somebody take a breathalyzer at the scene is S.O.P. Nothing to see there.

You’re making assumptions about what we think. You’ve drawn your conclusions about Australian officers, and frankly, I don’t have the time nor the energy to defend your country’s laws and how your officers apply those laws.

I don't expect you to answer or explain anything. You asked why would I not want a camera to help law enforcement investigate crimes, even if its family.

I was saying an Australia, a random breath station doesn't need to be lit up like an crime scene. Perhaps I should have quantified Christmas tree to liken a US crime seen, it does seems a little overkill to have 5 cars and multiple motor bikes all with red and blue light flashing. Plus red road markers, white lights from towers and the job office, high vis everywhere you name it. Then if ol mate ignores me for whatever reason, and I could not read his mind, he doesn't have to turn it into a fine, but he did. You kind of generalize (or hope) police have been trained to be more professional but he chose punishment over policing. A fine over direction when a finger point and just go there would have sufficed. Perhaps now you may see why I call it revenue raising. But I imagine is I had a tesla filming everything it would make little to no difference in court in regards to my side of the event.

The accident dash cam showed a car indicating to turn right with no stop lights on. It was stopped on a blind corner of about 80m (87 yards) visibility in an 80km (50m) zone. Hidden from view by a long line of cars, busses and trucks that had been let go from road works not far up the road. It was also late in the afternoon with broken light strobing through the trees heading towards the turning car. I connected with him at 15km p/hr (9m /hr) and no one was hurt. I was trying to help the cop understand the accident, but in reply I am told no accidents only incidents. I'm guessing, but I imagine most on hear would expect some understanding, not hears a fine. As a 17yo I rear ended a car in clear daylight while tuning the radio, no fine, no points deducted, so something has changed and its not the radio.

So to answer the question do I want cameras to keep me safe, no. Its why a bought a 2010 car over a new one. I don't need all the safety monitoring me, storing it on a computer somewhere in the hope its for me, when in reality its probably going to be used against me.

[RedSparky]

Originally Posted by Gemini562

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a6...video-footage/

Apparently, if your Tesla is parked near a crime scene, the cops can tow it to get the footage from the cameras. They try to ask you for it first, but if you’re not around, they might just tow it with a warrant. It’s like your car turns into a mobile CCTV, and you don’t even have to be involved in the crime.

Is that even legal? How can they just do that?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by RedSparky

Is that even legal? How can they just do that?

It is now! Case precedent has been set.