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I think people are forgetting the fact that the e30 m3 had a 4 cylinder with less than 200 horsepower and the e36 came out with less than 300 horsepower. The “regular” 330i/330d models have more performance than that and I put regular in quotes because car guys tend to loose perspective. The 30i/30d are still very much high performance engines and especially in Europe we stare at them, since they are exceedingly rare. And are faster than about 97% of other vehicles on the road. They are for a fact very capable performance cars if eqiupped right.
This whole argument is about as stupid as the M4 renaming controversy/gran coupe is not a real coupe blah blah blah/why is it called the 328i if it doesn’t have a 6 cylinder???!! No one is arguing the fact that the M[2...5] are the most extreme cars from BMW but for the performance offered by the Mxxx models it certainly makes them eligible for the M name. And anyway the whole argument is moot since why the hell do any of you care what they are called? Just because of a name they aren’t any better or worse. And if any of you want to feel superior just because you have “a real M car” be aware you’re driving the same basic car as a 316d diesel with 100 horsepower and BMW is a company that makes a minivan. Have fun! Last edited by gosi; 01-20-2020 at 05:24 AM.. |
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I really didn't know people cared so much about a model name/designation.
Rarely do I ever hear someone mention the actual model name when I'm in discussion with another person/owner. It's usually "I drive a 3/4/5 Series, etc" and rarely "I drive a 330 or 340". Even for myself, I don't say "I drive a 440i Gran Coupe" because for the most part, many people wouldn't know what the 40i is. I think people are looking way more into this than they should and stating things that help their argument when in reality, most people just don't care. |
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so are they killing the M3 branding? I don´t understand, how are they gonna differentiate them from each other? if those are 4 "M cars" how are we suppose to know which one is which? I don´t fully understand this
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M Performance will be strictly auto only and the M car variant will mix it up with a manual (and auto) option. The end. |
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I don't think this thread turned into an argument. I think debate is a better word and considering its 31 pages apparently it's a lively debate . Nor do I think full on M owners are feeling superior or are butt hurt as a few have said. I appreciate all BMW models old and new. . I like the brand and what it stands for and M is a strong sub brand of BMW. I agree it should be reserved for the full on M cars. I would say BMW made a mistake in whoring "M" out across its entire line except for the fact that they had record sales this year. From that angle I guess they know what they are doing.
I admit that an M340 X drive with a tune and a few bits added would be a better and more sensible choice for me. It's a hell of a car and I may own one down the road.. But I'm in a M3 CS right now because after 60 years I finally got to a place in my life I could afford one. It was a gift to myself. Its different and unique and special and stirs my emotions. Which is how most car enthusiasts choose a car. As long as it does that it's all good. |
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But do it because you want/need the car, not because you want to show off to others. And if you want what used to be called an MPerformance car, for your wants/needs, go ahead and do it and it is no one else's concern. |
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A question for you: if I go to bmwusa.com or to global bmw.com site, how come they separate the 3-series and M cars, and the M340i is not under the "M" link? |
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But that will also be fixed with the G80 M3 progress is a helluva drug
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As I've stated in an earlier post, there seems to be so much insecurity on here.
From my perspective, the M340i is an M-Lite, like all M Performance models are, and always have been. An M3 is a 'full fat' M-car. Nothing changes that, never has from when the first E12 was breathed on by BMW's Motorsport division, to become the M535i back in 1979. The first M5 (E28) was an M-Car, the E28 M535i never claimed to be more than an M-Lite. Although breathed on by Motorsport, was set up simply to give it a more sporting character than the standard 535i. Remember the E12 M535i was the first cooperative venture between BMW's production and Motorsport divisions. All this was going on before many now debating, were even born, certainly before many were driving BMW. |
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B58 >> to S58, go figure. Progress is developed from a baseline, that being said the M340i is one hell of a guinea pig for the M division, but apparently they have zero relation to "non-M" vehicles
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I have seen plenty of those at car meets already but it is what it is. I honestly don't care, it just makes me laugh hysterically on the inside. |
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So I met a BMW M340i owner the other day because the conversation started with cars in general, when he said "I own a BMW too, I said oh cool, what model?" He specifically stated "I own a M340i". In which I replied "badass car man". I'm sure I'd get the same from a knowledgeable C43 owner stating what their car is in entirety. |
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BMW did this to themselves; everyone knows it...
Now it just becomes increasingly difficult to explain how your M car is real vs the others is not... only way to fix this is not to buy BMWs; albeit Benz and Audi are up to the same thing. Nothing is special anymore; we live in a world of mass consumption... sad? Extremely but that's how it is. I wish I was 15 years older so that I could have picked up a 2005 Comp Pack E46 M3 with a manual tranny when it was an extremely special car back in late 2004. |
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At the same time these real M owners laud the B58, which is just as impressive as the S55 on an engineering level and I don't think ///M fanboys realize that. 3 years ago I used to be one of the guys that held the letter M sacred as well (and still am in some regard) "no stamping, no 'M' Performance add-ons or upgrade packages, no M trim levels, etc." Until I got to track test an M340i and I was blown away by its performance. I ripped it around the course trying to rip the damn tires off the wheels, and when I parked tires smoking adrenaline pulsing, I looked over to the BMW driving instructor right next to me and said 'wow this car is worthy!' To which he smiled and laughed 'I whole heartedly agree!' If you haven't driven the M340i or a Supra GR, I encourage you to go out and test drive one, but really rip it in sport+ mode. It might change your opinion as well and might give you an insight feel for the next G80 M3. |
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