F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

[Hulk Smash]

I fully believe that if MB brought HAM into the pits for softs, Masi would NOT have ended the safety car (he would've stated he could not legally or safely do so). He clearly wanted the advantage to go to RB and if he saw HAM enter pit lane Max would've won behind the SC. Either way, he was going to ensure Max was given the championship.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M2CS

None of the drivers would ever say they want the rules broken to prevent them from winning a race. The circumstances no longer allowed a fair race to the finish and Masi didn't red flag to attempt create any fairness. You know damn well if the situation was reversed you would be screaming how Max was robbed.

Just so I can catch up, what rule did Masi break?

[Hulk Smash]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Just so I can catch up, what rule did Masi break?

Masi withdrew the safety car one lap earlier than the rules dictate and he did so to benefit RB. Earlier in the year the FIA has been quoted saying they do not wish to interfere or affect the outcome of a race. Yesterday, they tossed out rule 48.12 to give the race/championship to Max.

[________]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Masi withdrew the safety car one lap earlier than the rules dictate and he did so to benefit RB. Earlier in the year the FIA has been quoted saying they do not wish to interfere or affect the outcome of a race. Yesterday, they tossed out rule 48.12 to give the race/championship to Max.

Is there a minimum number of laps a safety car must run?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M2CS

None of the drivers would ever say they want the rules broken to prevent them from winning a race. The circumstances no longer allowed a fair race to the finish and Masi didn't red flag to attempt create any fairness. You know damn well if the situation was reversed you would be screaming how Max was robbed.

As I said the rules didn't come into it in that instance and whoever would benefit or lose out of it is just the luck of the draw, if Ham would have come in for tyres then he would have had more grip but he didn't.

[Hulk Smash]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Is there a minimum number of laps a safety car must run?

The rules dictate the safety car is supposed to come in the following lap (after all cars have unlapped themselves). Of course yesterday, all lapped drivers weren't allowed to pass and the safety car was ended on the same lap that drivers who were allowed to pass did so.




^-- see how according to the rules, Mercedes had no reason to pit HAM. According to the rules, if they gave up track position and pitted HAM... Max would WIN behind the SC. That's what the FIA's rules state would happen.

[M5Rick]

Latest is that Merc are 'considering' withdrawing protest against FIA thinking of the integrity of the sport.

[Hulk Smash]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Latest is that Merc are 'considering' withdrawing protest against FIA thinking of the integrity of the sport.

They might as well withdraw it. The damage has already been done and it cannot be corrected without causing further damage. The only course of action that should be taken is the termination of Masi and other stewards.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Latest is that Merc are 'considering' withdrawing protest against FIA thinking of the integrity of the sport.

Clearer heads prevail, Toto’s ego took as massive hit and his reactions were not quite leadership-like. His boss was in the paddock so he must have emotionally lost it. Fighting this in court would only damage the brand for both F1 and Merc.

George Russell’s idiotic comment post-race, that is an entirely different situation. I was a fan until that comment. Dude needs to fight his own battles, Hammy can handle himself properly.

Unless of course Hammy told him if he wins 8WDC, George gets P1 for 2022. In that case, I completely understand.

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

George Russell’s idiotic comment post-race, that is an entirely different situation. I was a fan until that comment. Dude needs to fight his own battles, Hammy can handle himself properly.

I pretty much disregarded his comment entirely. Especially knowing where he will be driving next year.

Start earning you paycheck George.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Clearer heads prevail, Toto’s ego took as massive hit and his reactions were not quite leadership-like. His boss was in the paddock so he must have emotionally lost it. Fighting this in court would only damage the brand for both F1 and Merc.

What I'd like to know is, was that final pit strategy call his

Sure sounded like it during his ultimate betrayal themed radio messages.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Found Karen's?

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

You mean all of it makes perfect sense. It's an impartial analysis, accurate portrayal of events, team strategy, and race director decisions. I'd be promoting the same regardless of outcome.

Your position was addressed at the start of the 2nd paragraph. Nothing can counteract FIA conspiracy theory and suspicions of race director favoritism.



Those rules being --

All lapped cars are allowed to unlap themselves. As Red Bull rightly argued, the 3 additional cars passing by wouldn't have made any difference. Distraction.

After the final car unlaps itself, there should be an additional lap under safety car. Stronger argument, but that regulation is overruled by 15.3, which gives the race director discretion on safety car deployment and withdrawal.

With the track cleared and ready to race, one lap to go for the WDC, the race director exercised that safety car discretion and it was the right call. 1-2 running order and tire condition was irrelevant to the decision to go motor racing.

You guys cannot seem to disassociate a personally unsatisfactory outcome from the validity of real-time race director decisions, which favored racing, and achieved what both teams strongly expressed was their preference for a green flag finish. The race director didn't have to artificially manufacture that conclusion, it was there for the taking and he jumped on it.

As said by Masi to Wolff "Toto it's a motor race''

[Robin_NL]

Cheers
Robin

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

Post 879

I was obviously referring to his calls to Masi during safety car. But good try being funny

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

As said by Masi to Wolff "Toto it's a motor race''

Disassociate HAM & VER fandom, contemporaneous pit strategies, tire condition, all such irrelevancies, and it really is that easy.

In that Toto meltdown video he had a lot to say, except I noted he didn't have a response to that basic assertion from Masi.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

What I'd like to know is, was that final pit strategy call his

Sure sounded like it during his ultimate betrayal themed radio messages.

Interesting point, Toto seemed to become increasingly hands-on towards the end of the season. If Toto overruled the pit call that would surely explain his emotional reaction that appeared riddled with exasperation and regret.

[Hulk Smash]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

As said by Masi to Wolff "Toto it's a motor race''

Redbull got their butt kicked during the actual motor race. Tossing out 48.12 to create an advantage Redbull scenario is anything but motor racing.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Interesting point, Toto seemed to become increasingly hands-on towards the end of the season. If Toto vetoed the pit call that would surely explain his emotional reaction that appeared riddled with exasperation and regret.

There was plenty of time for that call to go all the way up the chain.

Merc pit crew were positioned, HAM passed by.

[e90335e36m3]

Love this back and forth bullshit argumentation. So it's ok to have huge disparities in money, technology, R&D capabilities, crashing other drivers in the race and getting away with it (ask Alex Albon), but it's not OK to have the race rules interpreted inconsistently or against how you believe they should be interpreted?
Get over it, nothing in this sport is fair or equal. Only inequality is. Therefore, I conclude the race outcome is fair and equal. Max is champion fair and square.

[Hulk Smash]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Love this back and forth bullshit argumentation. So it's ok to have huge disparities in money, technology, R&D capabilities, crashing other drivers in the race and getting away with it (ask Alex Albon), but it's not OK to have the race rules interpreted inconsistently or against how you believe they should be interpreted?
Get over it, nothing in this sport is fair or equal. Only inequality is. Therefore, I conclude the race outcome is fair and equal. Max is champion fair and square.

There is no sport without rules. The rules weren't vague nor misinterpreted, they were disregarded to favor RB and TV ratings. F1 is nothing without integrity.

[Bubbles]

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