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I find the aggressive front of this car to be very conflicting with subtle rear. Design doesn’t flow to me. And we shouldn’t have to say “oh but at least it looks good in black.”
Imo Genesis designed the dual light theme 10 fold better than bmw. That looks luxury, the new 7 looks like a jeep or a Kona Design combined with how quickly these tank in value will make a really hard sell in the US |
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None of BMW's design language makes sense anymore. It's like they're writing English using Cyrillic letters. So bizarre. So horrendously ugly. As if it's ugly for the sake of ugly.
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05-01-2022, 10:50 AM | #70 | |
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When the E65 was introduced 20 years ago, many hated it and predicted its quick demise. However, the E65 went in to become the best selling 7 Series BMW of all time…
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There are other brands whose more restrained and flowing design language will suit you better. Remember they are chasing a different customer demographic with this controversial car and it is not you and me.
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20 years ago, Audi A6 sedans were incredibly popular.
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You the BMW core customer of yesteryear has been left out. For you only E-Chassis BMWs from 20+ years ago will do. And that is fine BTW. BMW took a sharp turn back in 2002. Today their mission, goals and product focus is completely different of what it was before then.
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Those stats are true but misleading. A lot of those sales losses are due to SUVs and not Tesla and/or Electric cars
I’ve been harping on them for years and I’ll continue to do so - electric cars are NOT suited for consumer or commercial use. Besides their limited shelf life, (batteries will degrade over time, charging time and capacity will get less) they are EXPENSIVE and will only get more expensive as BEV production ramps up - they aren’t as convenient, are heavy and outside of sound bites of ‘looks like the future’ do nothing better. Everyone who talks about BEVS always talks about the future instead of the present because the realities of these vehicles is they aren’t suited for everyday use over a Gas powered car. It’s going to be a 150k paperweight in 7 years when the next owners don’t want to invest in a new battery back (expect 20k plus) to keep the car running. This car is no exception and is a terrible answer to a question no one asked. I’m sure people will buy it because they have the means and want to keep up with appearances, but let’s just be honest. |
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Agreed on most of your points. BEV are Still very expensive and impractical for large swaths of the general population. The vast US/North American geography makes them the less desirable choice for any meaningful long distance driving. Challenges posed by very cold winters in parts of the continent reduce their range and effectiveness. Battery technology is still not quite there. BEV battery manufacturing comes at a fairly substantial environmental and human cost. Then there is the less discussed aspects of EV and lithium battery safety considerations. Lithium battery fires are no joke and potentially fatal events. Also no one has studied the extent on which occupants of EV vehicles are exposed to high levels of electromagnetic fields, more so than in modern ICE vehicles. What effects overtime in the human body and organs these electromagnetic fields would have on those who drive these vehicles day after day, year after year? Outside of Tesla, charging networks are Not well developed and our electrical grid requires substantial infrastructure improvements to support a scenario where every American now owns an EV vehicle. So yes, ICE vehicles still have their place and reason to exist for the next few decades. At least BMW develops ICE, ICE/Hybrid and EV for their new platforms. I believe that is the right strategy. Unlike Tesla that has placed all of their golden eggs on the EV basket. Tesla doesn't have the capacity to produce a Model S with ICE or ICE/Hybrid unlike legacy manufactures for whom EV is yet another product channel, not the main meat and potatoes of the operation.
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As does the LCI X7 against the Hongqi E-HS9. |
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The Audi has always kind of been a footnote, it was never going to reach the 5 or E in sales. Audi's in general sell less than their competitors from MB or BMW except for a model here or there such as the Q3 and Q5. The A8 for example is a very low seller, with the S-Class outselling it by 5-7 times the amount and the 7er usually 2-4 times. |
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Current A6 was launched in 2019. The Audi is typically 2 years behind the production cycle of the E-Class and 5-Series, both of which, will be introducing new generations of their respective vehicles around this time next year.
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It would be rather disappointing if the next generation X5 inherits some of the same design features we are starting to see in the new 7-series/i7/X7. |
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Ok, please shed light on what part of new 7 series design DNA tailor to Chinese market?
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Here is a recent YT video of a hydrogen iX5 being tested in Scandinavia:
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