F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by forza1976

I was literally shaking, haven't felt that for F1 since MSC and his various championships. What a day!

[Bubbles]

Toto likely worked more this season than all previous seasons combined, so we can all appreciate his current emotional state.

Same could be said for Hammy

Seeing this side of Toto, is it possible that Hammy mirrors Toto’s behaviors and emotions?

Toto played the ranting victim, but Hammy had space away from Toto after the race and he acted with class and dignity.

Maybe Toto has too much influence on hammy’s reactions to events, similar to bottas believing that constant pressure of 1 year deals made him faster.

Maybe it’s Toto.

[///M Power-Belgium]

[QUOTE=M5Rick;28356469]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

From the land of the rising (HONDA) sun ...

The Wolf thinks about the future of his team...

[M3WC]

I am still trying to figure stewards decision on the lap 1 incident. That call or none call could have been the championship. Nevermind the decision under yellow and last lap on track battle.

Congrats to Max. Max was the quicker driver this year, 10 wins to Lewis 8 and 10 pole positions to Lewis 5. Most podiums and laps lead.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by EnVe46

I think what some are protesting is the indecisiveness on Masi. There doesn't seem very much consistent with his decisions all year which make it seem like there's an agenda, even if there isn't. See my other comment, I even feel that way.

It took me a few years to realize but perception is reality. We all live in each others perceived reality, but I think that's hard for some to realize. We can only make assumptions on Masis reality in this situation... If he was following the rules, some things in his decisions should have been different. If, If, If...

On the perception is reality point, Masi's decision to not allow unlapped cars through was presented (on Sky) as a final decision, in effect for the remainder of the race.

Listening to Horner's exchange with him, that's not what it sounded like at all. Sounded like he was delaying the unlapped cars process until the crash clean up had progressed.

The perception of agenda & indecisiveness emanates from the idea that he changed his mind on a final decision. Fan outrage and conspiracy follow from there.

Reality could be as simple as he was keeping an eye on the crash cleanup with the intention of unlapping cars as soon as he felt it was safe to do so. Sure sounded like that was his position on the radio with Horner.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

The only alternative course that holds any water to me.

The immediate argument against being, red flags are intended for unsafe track conditions. When a race must be suspended.

Are we now throwing red flags for straightforward crash cleanups if there's a perceived team strategy/tire disadvantage at the front of the race? Even after the frontrunners have been given plenty of chance to choose and execute their race ending strategies?

Interesting precedent.

Also, who was it last week who strongly objected to a red flag when there actually was substantial barrier repair? Trying to think...

But I would have been ok with either course, they both involved racing.

Along with the dastardly Masi, I wonder if the Latifi crash clean up workers are in hiding. Seems they were almost too efficient and wearing... ORANGE.

Fair point, Merc objected to the red flag in Saudi. Merc wanted it to end under safety car.

Hammy fans got a massive shot of what Max fans were feeling during the race, except all at once without the benefit of 90 mins to accept the inevitable result. Not fun.

[SoftShoe]

I have no horse in this race..

From the outside, that ending sure looks bullsh!tty.

[MontyB1]

I wonder if Mercedes are in conversation with the FIA to say we will drop the appeal if you remove Michael Masi. Let’s be honest he has had a multitude of issues this season that have affected many drivers.

There are occasions guidance hasn’t been clear, decisions on incidents, negotiations that even team principles have said are unprecedented. He has lost the respect of the teams and the fans and that’s damaging the sport.

Remove him and everyone move on. Id be shocked if that wasn’t a potential reaction to this.

[3798j]

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff, says he's concerned about "the further damage it could cause to Formula One," if the team continues its challenge.
It's difficult to believe how more damage could occur. By not following FIA rules (even if it was done in the name of giving the fringe some viewing closure), the sports' integrity will (going forward) always be suspect and any WDC from this one on will be viewed with skepticism.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

From @andrewbensonf1 --

"Unless clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap." There was no lap in between

However, as cited by the race director, 15.3 --

"Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.

Toto wanted that extra lap between the last lapped car passing the leader. The race director wanted to go racing and per the previous agreement of the teams, achieve the "highly desirable" outcome of a green flag conclusion, i.e., not under a safety car.

+1

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff, says he's concerned about "the further damage it could cause to Formula One," if the team continues its challenge.
It's difficult to believe how more damage could occur. By not following FIA rules (even if it was done in the name of giving the fringe some viewing closure), the sports' integrity will (going forward) always be suspect and any WDC from this one on will be viewed with skepticism.

Just watch, the sport will go on with this drama boosting ratings.

I bet next season of Drive to Survive will have its best ratings on Netflix.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

You mean all of it makes perfect sense. It's an impartial analysis, accurate portrayal of events, team strategy, and race director decisions. I'd be promoting the same regardless of outcome.

Your position was addressed at the start of the 2nd paragraph. Nothing can counteract FIA conspiracy theory and suspicions of race director favoritism.



Those rules being --

All lapped cars are allowed to unlap themselves. As Red Bull rightly argued, the 3 additional cars passing by wouldn't have made any difference. Distraction.

After the final car unlaps itself, there should be an additional lap under safety car. Stronger argument, but that regulation is overruled by 15.3, which gives the race director discretion on safety car deployment and withdrawal.

With the track cleared and ready to race, one lap to go for the WDC, the race director exercised that safety car discretion and it was the right call. 1-2 running order and tire condition was irrelevant to the decision to go motor racing.

You guys cannot seem to disassociate a personally unsatisfactory outcome from the validity of real-time race director decisions, which favored racing, and achieved what both teams strongly expressed was their preference for a green flag finish. The race director didn't have to artificially manufacture that conclusion, it was there for the taking and he jumped on it.

On point. The decision had not a thing to do with who was or wasn't ahead. Rule 15.3 supercedes rule 48.12/13 which everyone seems to only be quoting. 15.3 give authority for race director to do whatever he wants with the safety car and all teams agreed they wanted green light racing to supersede so he carried out their wishes.
Nothing was manufactured, it just happened to be the scenario that presented itself and Merc got caught with their pants down not having pitted Ham for tires, and Toto couldn't manipulate the race director to secure a win (which is what he absolutely tried to do against the decision to race that all teams made as aforementioned).

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=///M Power-Belgium;28356641]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The Wolf thinks about the future of his team...

Like Caesar who thought he was untouchable the giant that was Toto has the first cracks appearing, like Villeneuve used to say 'stuff happens'

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

On point. The decision had not a thing to do with who was or wasn't ahead. Rule 15.3 supercedes rule 48.12/13 which everyone seems to only be quoting. 15.3 give authority for race director to do whatever he wants with the safety car and all teams agreed they wanted green light racing to supersede so he carried out their wishes.
Nothing was manufactured, it just happened to be the scenario that presented itself and Merc got caught with their pants down not having pitted Ham for tires, and Toto couldn't manipulate the race director to secure a win (which is what he absolutely tried to do against the decision to race that all teams made as aforementioned).

Laws and rules are rarely completely clear and this isn’t either. Unless it’s challenged and a independent judge opines on it then it will never be clear.

There is clearly an argument to say that rule isn’t there to cover this situation and it’s up to the lawyers to layout that position. If they push that they used a very liberal interpretation of the rules that they have defended themselves with to enhance or protect their product, being F1 there is certainly an argument to be made.

[///M Power-Belgium]

[QUOTE=M5Rick;28356785]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Like Caesar who thought he was untouchable the giant that was Toto has the first cracks appearing, like Villeneuve used to say 'stuff happens'

Yeah . And in 2022 number '33 will be vanished and number '1 will rise !
Will have then to change my avatar ..

=> https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...ule-1/6770559/

[///M Power-Belgium]

*****

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=///M Power-Belgium;28356836]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Yeah . And in 2022 number '33 will be vanished and number '1 will rise !
Will have then to change my avatar ..

=> https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...ule-1/6770559/

Max 1 and Checo 11 will be a nice pairing numbers wise.

[3798j]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Just watch, the sport will go on with this drama boosting ratings.

I bet next season of Drive to Survive will have its best ratings on Netflix.

This Jalopnik headline is my fear: Formula 1 is No Longer a Sport

https://jalopnik.com/formula-one-is-...ort-1848205192

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Jiren

Hard to make sense of what these maxitards say. Probably because their oral cavity is stuffed with verstappens "max" organ

Feel free to root for whoever you want. Feel free to disagree with whatever happened. Feel free to criticize the points of view expressed by others.

But leave ad hominem out.

Consider this a warning.

[Autobacs]

HAM and his Father congratulated both Max and Jos.

FIA ruled on the appeal.

Toto congratulated Max.

Have not collected on my winning US$100 bet from MKSixer BUT I am out of popcorn already so let's move on

[Steeler]

Artemis I always thought mods were supposed to be unbiased

[Killed by Death]

[QUOTE=///M Power-Belgium;28356836]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Yeah . And in 2022 number '33 will be vanished and number '1 will rise !
Will have then to change my avatar ..

=> https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...ule-1/6770559/

Hammy should have used #1 while he could

Can't wait to see the new avatar!!!