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Sales performance defines how customers feel about your products and/or services. Businesses have to care about what customers think to win sales!
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Consumers almost never buy EVs without being subsidized. If these products were truly desirable they'd be threatened with dealer markups. Instead the "market adjustment" is tax payers being forced to chip in money to help try and make these products viable. I found it especially interesting the poor ROI of the i division wasn't mentioned as being a challenge in the article. It clearly is.
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Why is it BMW has to step up their game in the EV market when Mercedes and Audi get the plaudits? The EQ and Q8 are concept cars and around 2 years from production. This had to be communicated to the media who also reported the same thing. BMW are the leading manufacturer for Premium EV vehicles in the segment.
The current iPerformance models not only lead their respective segments but account for around 10% of total volume and in some markets are the best selling model in that series. The BMWi3 is showing increase after increase each month with additional models due to be launched in the Summer including the Performance i3S. As well as an upgraded BMW i8 with additional Roadster and high performance iS. Joining the range is the 530e iPerformance and a new MINI Countryman E. Followed by a new BMW X3 iPerformance a precursor to a full electric BMW X3. In the middle of 2018 will see the reveal of the all new BMW 3er which again will be offered as iPerformance and a full electric edition. Other vehicles earmarked include the X7. The 8er Gran Coupe and a full electric X5 as well as a new BMWi SAV/Crossover. The BMW iNext taking shape is all about the next step. If the i8 was the "What if?" The iNext is the "inevitable" And of course BMW will replace the i3 and i8 with the i8 offering full electric. BMW has a current full electric i8 as well as one driven by Fuel Cell and of course an Autonomous model. When talk about the application of sustainable drive trains? It is no longer a case of if? But when? The first model will be developed from BMWs three stage Power eDrive strategy which will be a 5er again to be followed in additional models. We have to look at the future and proposals in which cities globally or looking at the banning of combustion cars. If we take China the worlds no1 luxury car market they are looking at a ban on all vehicles except EVs. BMWs in development "Dreamliner" will be offered in full electric and can even be placed within the next generation of Rolls-Royce models. The all-electric MINI taking shape like the BMW Next 100 is derived from its Vision Concept to have a similar imprint to a BMW i3. It is inaccurate to say we are behind as it is to say we are stalling. The overall stumbling block for current EVs and PHEVs is of course Range Anxiety and BMW customers are in transition. Some have already decided whilst some have already crossed over. In regards to what BMW offer in sustainable drive trains the company wants to make sure all areas are covered from a base Electric MINi. Increased popular SUV models. High Performance M cars and even luxury plus Rolls-Royce models. As the CEO did announce it is a Marathon not a short Sprint.
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They are really just figuring this out now!??? Well better late than never. I don't recall the latest annual sales figures but that would be the starting point but also considering where each model sits in the lifecycle. I suspect that the GTs as well as the X4 and X6 would be getting scrutiny. Plus these cost real extra dollars for them because they are unique body styles with high tooling costs.
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The Xs make money and they are ADDING more models, not removing them, which was the point of this discussion. Removing the 3 series except for the M3 defeats the purpose. BMW needs to compress their line-up but they are adding more models as some sales slipped in 2016. We will see how the new 5er does, because I think it looks amazing. Here is an interesting read on BMW sales. Take note of the big sellers from 2015 to 2016 and the issues with inventory. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...iscounts-rise/
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A significant part of the increase in car models has to due with the increase in the length and weight of the 3, 5, and 7. The M2 is about the size of an E46 M3. The current M3 is the size of an old 5 series and is more equivalent to an old M5. (The 4 is 184" and the 635csi was 187") The population is aging, fatter, less enthusiast oriented, and wants sedans. Hence the death of roadsters and the success of GT "coupes." Oh, and M-SUVs because a real enthusiast wants a 2 1/2 ton vehicle.
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One possibility is that BMW is betting on the gradual shift away from sedans to SUVs in many regions (including the US) to carry them through without the need to add a four-door below the 3 Series. It could explain why the 1 Series sedan has launched in China (an area where SUV adoption hasn't reached the levels it has in the west) but apparently is not, to the best of our knowledge, coming to North America. It's true that X1 sales are brisk and the X2 is likely to be a hit too, but it would seem there is still a lot of life in the small luxury sedan segment base on competitors' success. Of course, a 2 Series Gran Coupe is still possible, but we have nothing concrete to prove it exists yet. |
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We also have to look at the strategy to produce the X1 in the Nedcar plant in the Netherlands because of increasing demand. The F52 is to test in the USA and other markets. Believe it or not with the possibility to offer the entry level car later. The car has just recently launched in China and it's response is impressive drawing in a lot of younger customers as intended who are new to BMW or only with pre-owned BMW models. The X2 offers more lifestyle sportiness than flexibility. And for many that is all they require.
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Pretty much what this forum has been saying for the last 10 years and were ridiculed for saying it.
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IMHO BMW need:
-3-5-7-X3 -X5 "basic" line (sedan, touring and SUV) -4- 8 -X4-X6 "sport" line (coupes , cabrio and SAC) -6GT :911 competitor -M2002 turbo (new M2) -Z5: Roadster 4 Grancoupe i think have to be save and 8 series IMHO need also the GC (extra luxury sport sedan) Kill 1-2-3GT-5GT-X1 -2 Active tourer /grandtourer , forgot X2,X7 |
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Interesting article however it only 1/2 supports your statement on the X line. X5 and X4 sales are down...not up. Lower sales doesn't make money and with the discounts off MSRP, they aren't making that much per unit. Does BMW really need an X7? I doubt it? An X2? Not likely, especially since X1 sales are strong. 3 sales are down almost 30%. How does making the M3 the halo in the series given that data a bad thing and relying on the 4 to be the volume seller? They can easily add a '420' to the mix. Time will tell if the new 5 turns the slide around for that model. I like the looks of it for sure but it's a cruiser (M5 being the exception.)
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But what about the gearing and MPG efficiency numbers?
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Even with a 30% loss in sales yr/yr...the 3er still sells 30% more units than it's next closest vehicle...the X5/X3. X1 sales are insanely good right now. A well designed X2 coupe would kill the segment competition. Removing any line will not solve the problem of sluggish sales but a merger of vehicles with similar use should help. Does BMW really need an X7? I agree...probably not, but then again...I'm sure they would take a huge chunk of sales from Audi and Mercedes if they did. M3 as the halo in the series is not a bad thing, but you have to have the M4 as well, along with the entry level models. They just need to keep one series a 2 door and the other a 4 door. Merge/morph/evolve/ an M3 with a 4GC and you will have a new M3 that would be even more of a killer than it already is, IMO.
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Ie they are ditching the 4 series, 5 series, z series, and replacing with x0 x2 x4 x7 x8 x9 x10
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