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Never price out a Jeep Wrangler... or a BMW... or a Porsche... or any other car with options.
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12-31-2020, 10:12 AM | #112 |
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I actually like cars that don't have many options like the Model 3. You basically get a choice of "engines" and then just color and wheel options that's pretty much it. My fucking truck has soooooooo many options it's mind numbing. I guess it's useful for some, but when you are trying to find a used one with certain options it becomes a nightmare.
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12-31-2020, 04:23 PM | #114 |
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I have. The difference is typically a lot more significant.
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12-31-2020, 04:57 PM | #115 |
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Never.....I like the visceral sound of an ICE.
Damn, I don't even like paddle shifters, love rowing my own gears. Old skool all the way.
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12-31-2020, 04:59 PM | #116 |
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If I am going somewhere, I prefer to drive until I get there. If I need to get gas on the way, it takes 10 minutes including getting off and on the highway. Last year, I drove somewhere 600 miles away; the year before it was over 700. Other trips have been longer. I'll switch when a recharge is as fast.
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Tesla may have made EVs cool, now the Europeans will make it sexy, the new Audi E-tron GT for instance, my goodness. The I4 concept, stunner. Porsche Taycan, performance and prestige. Maybe Tesla's new models will look cooler, but again, I will not trust their quality until they'be been in the car game for much much longer. |
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If they repackaged or reengineered the 3 dual motor performance for better looks and range..... I'd consider
But those are big ifs
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I'm not against Tesla, I'd love to have one but they don't make a vehicle I want/can afford. When they come out with a competitor to my f32 that isn't ugly like the model 3 I'd consider it.
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Would go with a diff brand when i go electric. Something better lookin with better build quality. They look horrible.
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01-02-2021, 07:55 AM | #124 |
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Better rage? There is no comparable vehicle with more range.
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01-02-2021, 08:12 AM | #125 |
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Not sure I will ever buy a Tesla. I don't like the style/appearance and the reviews on quality and interior amenities turn me off. Tesla needs to offer a competitive all around product, not just a device with which to save the world.
For me to buy a battery electric vehicle, it needs to have 500 mile range for 10 years of ownership on the factory original battery, and charge time from 5% to 100% (500 miles worth of charge) needs to happen in 5 minutes. The preceding requirements need to occur with a vehicle that delivers, or exceeds, all of the other functionality of a petrol BMW or Mercedes in the comparable vehicle class. For example, X3, X5, GLC or GLE. Gasoline is energy dense and battery technology companies know this. Battery range and life (avoidance of degradation) is one of the biggest challenges for BEVs. I will not buy a vehicle that has the battery experience of an iPhone or macbook air, if I have a petrol vehicle alternative. |
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Features Options Quality of materials Comfort (subjective) Appearance (subjective) Initial vehicle quality (free from defects upon delivery) Reliability and durability (free from major failures for 10 years/200,000 miles) 4 years / 50,000 miles new car bumper to bumper warranty fully transferrable to subsequent owners Then put the electric powerplant and battery back in the vehicle and do another comparison: Range: 500 miles from a full charge, with no degradation for 10 years/200,000 miles on the factory original battery Fueling: 5 minutes total time from 5% charge to 100% fully charged with no restriction or caveat, for the base vehicle model Performance: equal to or better 0-60, top speed and handling vs petrol competitors Ride and NVH: equal to or better than petrol competitors Tesla is a long way from offering a fully equivalent total vehicle package. This is similar to the film vs. digital debate in photography. It is only in the past few years (5 or so) that digital processing is able to truly equal the (subjective) aesthetics that everyone knows and agrees film offers. BEVs will get there. I think 10 years from now is an early estimate of when they offer a fully equivalent or better package. Likely outcome is 20 years. 30 years is a pessimistic estimate. I will still be buying petrol for 20+ years. |
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... when and if there is a similar program to cash for clunkers for the EV transition we seem to be headed towards, I will trade my gas guzzler N62 550i. Definitely seems to be where the automotive industry is headed towards.
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