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Then there are the other nagging problems with the electric door handles, the gull wing doors, etc, etc. It seems some parts are obtainable from Tesla and others are not. Rich has to troll salvage yards/auctions for donor cars to get parts to repair customer cars. And seem to be more reliable in terms of the mechanical simplicity, just hope you don't get into a car wreck with any of these cars. TFL on Youtube went through that very mess trying to get their Model 3 fixed after a minor fender bender and they worked with a Tesla approved body shop. While this situation happened a while ago, based on what I've seen supply chain issues haven't improved much. |
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01-02-2021, 08:33 PM | #134 |
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I love Rich....and Rich loves Tesla's! Lol.
The screens have gone through a few iterations. Handles are indeed an issue on the Model S....Tesla replaces them frequently under warranty. Not an issue on the Model 3. I've watched every episode of Rich Rebuilds, guy knows more about Tesla's then Tesla....and again, he loves them. His daughter drives the wrapped Tesla he used to drive. His issues with Tesla are with their business model and not the car. He might not be your best example. |
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01-02-2021, 08:53 PM | #135 |
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By extension, that means getting pleasure from hearing an engine rev through the gears, the shift if you're a manual driver, the exaggerated exhaust if you have a bi-turbo v6/v8... its the pleasure. I love Tesla and what they stand for, but if you really love cars.. you're probably going to hold off as long as possible, just cause they take away what we love most.. connection to the drive. Maybe that's the point, but I'm not ready quite yet |
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01-03-2021, 01:00 AM | #137 | |
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Most of those technologies you mention are already present in ICE cars, though not to the same degree perhaps. We already see things like stepper motor driver failures on the throttle bodies of the E92 M3. New BMWs are full of sensors. Such high voltage and current DC-DC conversion has not been the norm in automotive applications, but it should be one of the most heavily exercised systems and get a lot of design attention. |
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01-03-2021, 05:18 AM | #138 | |
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01-03-2021, 08:28 AM | #140 | |
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The electric starter on the ICE is a good example, now highly unlikely in 100k-200k miles with thousands of starts that you will ever touch it.
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01-03-2021, 08:44 AM | #141 |
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I don't see anyone claiming the electric motor is a weak link for BEVs.
The battery is the weak link. Speaking to Tesla specifically, excluding the electric powertrain, it's a crummy car in my view. |
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01-03-2021, 08:55 AM | #142 | |
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I love driving them both. On weekends I'll load up the M4 and drive to sonoma raceway or laguna seca and then when I get home and go out to dinner I'll have the Tesla autopilot me to dinner and relax on the way there. |
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"Crummy" - doesn't say much. It works as designed, is safe, fast, and the best electric available. It is now hitting 8 years on the market and has shown they keep running. I don't see mass battery replacement and haven't heard of mass expensive repairs needed to keep them running. If you want to compare them to a similar priced ICE I would say the interior isn't to the same standards, panel gaps, fit and finish. Someone said the screens have issues, anything else?
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01-03-2021, 10:05 AM | #145 | |
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And none of the proponents of Tesla has even addressed the repair situation. Your choice of repair shops is extremely limited along with access to factory parts. Rich was able to gain access to various manuals from Tesla because Massachusetts passed a law requiring auto manufacturers to share that data. |
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And you better be in climates that are conducive to optimum battery operation or those range estimates are just pipe dreams.
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For me it comes down to the fact that all Tesla models (other than the original roadster) look like turds.
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Ok. You didn’t address the “excluding the electric powertrain”. Tesla is a crummy car when compared with others, excluding the means of energy storage and propulsion. |
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Agree. None of these egg shaped cars do anything for me in the aesthetics department.
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In all fairness though. I will continue to own an ICE vehicle along with my BEV for as long as I can afford to do so and as long as there are ICE vehicles I like with a manual transmission. However I don't see any compelling reason to go back to ICE for my daily driver unless it's strictly a cost issue. |
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The idea that a Model 3 Performance, for example, is less fun to drive than some huge SUV with an automatic transmission is highly questionable. BMW will make EVs, most people here will eventually buy them, and 95% of them will not look back. Obviously, ICE cars will still have niches and play a role for a long time. |
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I think the used price of Tesla cars is so high because of the reliable nature of the powertrain. The prices for a used Model 3 are almost as much as new ones. BMW and Mercedes used cars drop off the cliff at 50K+ miles or so.
Perhaps having fewer things for people to touch like AC vent tabs and buttons means the car will appear much less beat up or damaged after many years of use. Maintenance history also isn't much of an issue with Tesla as it is with gasoline cars so that will likely keep the price range closer to the price of a new Tesla vs over 50% or more drop for used gas cars, especially German ones. |
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