Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Car-Addicted]

Earlier I posted: China Set to Choke Off Supply of Key Mineral for America
The Chinese are playing three dimensional chess and our government is playing a bad job of checkers.
US and Canada confront the next big EV minerals challenge
11/30/2023
China on Friday will expand critical mineral export controls to include graphite, the single largest mineral component of any EV battery. There is just one producing graphite mine in North America.
U.S. and Canadian executives told POLITICO’s E&E News that they urged the White House to rapidly help them build out graphite mines and processing facilities.
They asked for reinstatement of Trump-era tariffs on Chinese graphite imports and lobbied for more direct financial support, according to two executives on the calls. Canadian companies that want to start mining graphite in Quebec and Ontario say they need U.S. subsidies like Energy Department financing and loans.
The challenge is particularly obvious with graphite: China produces almost 70 percent of the world’s natural and synthetic graphite, according to Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, and makes more than 90 percent of the world’s anodes for lithium-ion batteries.
The Northern Graphite mine in Quebec is the only one currently operating in North America, while no synthetic graphite anode material is made on the continent at commercial scale today.


The Lac des Iles graphite mine owned by Northern Graphite in Quebec.

To be eligible for tax credits, the climate law also requires at least half of an EV’s battery components to be manufactured or assembled in North America and for at least 40 percent of the car’s critical minerals like graphite to be extracted or processed on the continent or a country with which the U.S. has a free-trade agreement.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/us-a...als-challenge/

Interesting to watch two countries who have done everything possible to ruin tar sands oil mining and transportation (Keystone XL Pipeline) both of which are being built and paid for by private industry now take tax payer money to mine graphite.

[M5Rick]

Just obey? Uncle Tony has more to say, this is just the beginning of the fight back.

[Car-Addicted]

Who would have thought?
EV Owners Waking Up to the Nightmare of Massive Repair Bills
December 03, 2023
The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his electric truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks." Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.
When these vehicles do get into a crash, repairs can be more complex for many reasons. The bodies can be more complicated to disassemble, and the repairs tend to require more steps and precautions, Fredman said.

Vehicles containing lithium-ion batteries also require special storage consideration because of the risk of fire when they are damaged, said Scott Benavidez, chairman of the trade group Automotive Service Association and owner of a collision repair business in New Mexico. Those precautions add both time and cost to the repair process, he added.

EV market leader Tesla has company-owned collision repair centers, as well as a network of privately owned body shops. Those additions helped half the cost of repairs on Teslas over the past decade as more shops became equipped to work on the vehicles, said Xander Walker, a former Tesla employee who worked on refurbishing leased vehicles and trade-ins.

[Dawn G]

Agreed, central Wisconsin needs to get on board with more areas to EV charge. Found myself in a shituation in that only two charge stations per charging spots in Eau claire minimizing EV slots. As I approached a facility they had 2-EV slots, there was already two cars plugged in. One of the cars had a couple that was charging their car had left the car plugged in for three hours. (Per the facility staff woman who witnessed the couple pull up and left their car charge). Loitering charges should apply. Thankfully the other person charging her car didn't need a full charge. There was a three car wait for a slot to charge. This was my first experience using public charge areas. Wow did I get educated.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Dawn G

Agreed, central Wisconsin needs to get on board with more areas to EV charge. Found myself in a shituation in that only two charge stations per charging spots in Eau claire minimizing EV slots. As I approached a facility they had 2-EV slots, there was already two cars plugged in. One of the cars had a couple that was charging their car had left the car plugged in for three hours. (Per the facility staff woman who witnessed the couple pull up and left their car charge). Loitering charges should apply. Thankfully the other person charging her car didn't need a full charge. There was a three car wait for a slot to charge. This was my first experience using public charge areas. Wow did I get educated.

Then there are plug in hybrids. It takes 5 hours to add measly 25-30 real world miles and as parking is free around where i am for ev/hybrid I've seen them just rock up and plug in and leave them for hours while away shopping/eating/cinema etc while EV owners needing a top up before their batteries go flat pull their hair out.

[Alfisti]

I think a lot of the opposition to EV's is conservative BS that can easily be overcome or has been overblown to serve a political purpose. But the charging situation, the charging, absolute nightmare i cannot for the life of me see a solution to.

[M5Rick]

''Driven by the crazy climate alarmism of the U n'

[M5Rick]

Another quick vid of a cement firm that was patting itself on the back on being the first firm to make a cement delivery with an EV cement truck until this happened,,

[Condorll]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I did but thanks for reminding me. Interesting read got me to look up what the current CAFE standards are.

Here is the NHTSA Cafe standards to 2026. Life is too short to read this but to summarize:
They chose alternative 2.5 (because they say we can afford it)
Alt 2.5 will add at least $1000.00 minimum to the price of a new car per year.
Here is the CAFE standards for passenger cars
2024 55.44MPG
2025 60.26MPG
2026 66.95MPG
Here is the CAFE standards for Light Trucks
2024 44.48MPG
2025 48.35MPG
2026 53.73MPG
This can be found here Tables IV-14 IV-15
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...2022-07200.pdf

This will force automotive companies to continue to build EV's to meet their CAFE standards. I feel the need to slap a politician of the green grift variety
Yes we will be forced to buy hybrids or EV's so that the connected elites can jet off to some exotic local on their private Jets to lecture us on how we have to save the planet by drive cars we hate.

When these hypocrits stop flying around in their private jets, cruising in their megayachts and living in mansions I will consider a hybrid vehicle. Until then they can screw off.

[Murf the Surf]

Just in time for Christmas.

[Murf the Surf]

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

...and the cement solidified from the heat in the trailer _ Ough !

[Car-Addicted]

400 Ford Dealerships Pump the Brakes on Stocking EVs
Will it cost dealerships a bit extra to prepare to sell EVs? Absolutely. Getting to the highest “Model e Certified” level could set you back over $1 million.

Interesting candid discussion of the realities of selling EV's

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Just obey? Uncle Tony has more to say, this is just the beginning of the fight back.

I mean he's right but feck driving a 25 year old jeep.
This big ol rock is only gonna last so long. let's have some fun with it.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

I mean he's right but feck driving a 25 year old jeep.
This big ol rock is only gonna last so long. let's have some fun with it.

I've driven the previous model of this in Poland over normal roads and rough stuff, it's capable and far easier to service and repair than the modern complex ones which is what you want.

[M5Rick]

Time to pull the plug on EV's mister.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

400 Ford Dealerships Pump the Brakes on Stocking EVs
Will it cost dealerships a bit extra to prepare to sell EVs? Absolutely. Getting to the highest “Model e Certified” level could set you back over $1 million.

Interesting candid discussion of the realities of selling EV's

All these Youtube idiots, so much misinformation. These dealers are not pulling away from selling EV, they are pulling out of a total tear up and rebuild of the dealership that would infrastructure and floor plan with an EV focus. You can still walk in and buy an EV.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Time to pull the plug on EV's mister.

This is the most American thing I have ever seen.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This is the most American thing I have ever seen.

All we need is the same message going over here to a certain mr S who's in cloud cuckoo land adding to the country's massive debt.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Time to pull the plug on EV's mister.

Let's hope , Sleepy Bernie wakes up on time !

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I think a lot of the opposition to EV's is conservative BS that can easily be overcome or has been overblown to serve a political purpose.

I took a pass on calling out this pile of liberal bull crap but now it's time for you to put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by Alfisti

All these Youtube idiots, so much misinformation.

Please enlighten us what is "misinformation" in that video. Since I'm in a good mood today I will warn you that there are several print articles with the same information available. So knock yourself out.

[dfox]

Why are there so many youtube videos posted in this thread? Is that really where ya'll are getting your news these days? Biased dudes behind a camera who spin every little piece of information into clickbait?

EV's are fine. Chances are good the mandates will be pushed back or modified in some way, just like so many things in government. They set their sights high, and will end up settling for something less. Par for the course. I'd like to see something like 25% EV, 50% plug in, 25% ICE production targets for manufacturers, with exceptions or ways around it for certain manufacturers.

I have an EV and 2 ICE vehicles, and love our EV. As a commuter to sit in stop and go traffic, it's absolutely spectacular, and it's not even a good car at the end of the day, it's just that the drivetrain is so perfectly suited for stop and go traffic. I charge at home or at work (for free). If I'm going somewhere more than 200 miles where I might need to recharge, I just take the ICE instead.

Do I want all cars to be EV? Nah. But the anti-EV sentiment turns it into a black and white issue, and it's definitely not. Would be a whole lot more productive if we could all work together to determine where EV makes sense, and where it doesn't.