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      11-10-2023, 03:03 PM   #23
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Geely owns Volvo now. It's a Chinese car.
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I'll pass that on to my friend.
Of course, the Volvo enthusiasts will justify everything Volvo does. They could sell a literal bag of trash and they would buy it for the "Swedishness"
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Of course, the Volvo enthusiasts will justify everything Volvo does. They could sell a literal bag of trash and they would buy it for the "Swedishness"
Volvo is still more Volvo being owned by a Chinese company than BMW is, BMW has completely lost their way what is your opinion on that.
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You are entitled to your own opinion, but to me, Volvo is absolutely the worst carmaker around. I wouldn't take a Volvo if it was free.
Nonsensical financial decision making there.
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The more important question is how is Mitsu still in business in the US?
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The more important question is how is Mitsu still in business in the US?
Being Japanese, cheap, below prime rate all the time, generous warranty, approval for anyone who can sign a name on a piece of paper are all reasons.
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This is a great read if you have interest in understanding Zhejiang Geely Holding Group and their future.

Special Report-How the Chinese tycoon driving Volvo plans to tackle Tesla

September 2, 2021
https://www.reuters.com/article/auto...dTRNIKBN2FY0YN

Don't be too surprised when they own controlling interest in Daimler AG, the maker of Mercedes-Benz.
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Volvo is still more Volvo being owned by a Chinese company than BMW is, BMW has completely lost their way what is your opinion on that.
I don't like some of BMW's design decisions, but I have NEVER liked Volvo. It was my first car (a hand-me-down) and every moment driving it sucked.
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I get were people get their affinity for all things Volvo. Their history from the 122, 140, 144S, P1800 to the V70 deserves respect (except for the 164 turkey). Not to mention their success in non automotive business's. That was then, change of ownership is now, so all bets are off. In this rapidly changing environment every car company is only as good as their current offering and that includes BMW.
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I get were people get their affinity for all things Volvo. Their history from the 122, 140, 144S, P1800 to the V70 deserves respect (except for the 164 turkey). Not to mention their success in non automotive business's. That was then, change of ownership is now, so all bets are off. In this rapidly changing environment every car company is only as good as their current offering and that includes BMW.
I think BMW's current offering is pretty good, but considering that I upgraded from a Volvo, any functional vehicle would feel like a Rolls-Royce.
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I think BMW's current offering is pretty good, but considering that I upgraded from a Volvo, any functional vehicle would feel like a Rolls-Royce.
I'd honestly take a new volvo over most of BMW's range right now. BMW's design language is absolutely awful on most models.
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Current gen Volvos are far beyond what they used to be, both in looks, engineering and build quality (hence why they are selling so many of them).

The cost argument is also invalid when a standard 3 series can cost upwards of $60k; everything is far more expensive than it should be.

As far as the engine of that S60 giving up at 76k miles, that can happen to almost any brand and it does.
A new 330e costs less than an S60 recharge. And it won’t leave you stranded like a Volvo.
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We're calling BMW's reliable now? This is a company that had no clue how to make a water pump.
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We're calling BMW's reliable now? This is a company that had no clue how to make a water pump.
Or a timing chain guide.
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A new 330e costs less than an S60 recharge. And it won’t leave you stranded like a Volvo.
How each car is optioned will dictate which ends up being the more expensive car.

A BMW (or you can substitute your favorite car brand) will leave one stranded just the same.

It is clear you do not care for Volvo (or Android apparently) and that is okay. Opinions and options are the beautiful thing that allows us to pick what we prefer. I personally would pick a current gen S60 over a 330, but that is me.
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I'll pass that on to my friend.
Ask your friend where most parts for literally anything is made these days, too.
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How each car is optioned will dictate which ends up being the more expensive car.

A BMW (or you can substitute your favorite car brand) will leave one stranded just the same.

It is clear you do not care for Volvo (or Android apparently) and that is okay. Opinions and options are the beautiful thing that allows us to pick what we prefer. I personally would pick a current gen S60 over a 330, but that is me.
I love my G20 330i, and my Swedish girlfriend likes it too, even more than my old Volvo. She likes to name cars and named mine Bjorn (bear in Swedish)
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Geely owns Volvo now. It's a Chinese car.
Yes, just like Lotus. They both sold out to the China. Sweden is borderline communist so probably wasn’t a stretch to believe it was a good deal for Geely to bail Volvo out. But surprised Lotus would do that. I realize a company has to have money if they want to continue doing what they do, but at some point they lose control. These are ways Chinese are trying to get into the western car markets since generally their organic brands are either not as good or are tainted simply for being Chinese.
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Volvo is an old man's car. Having Volvo in the marketplace helps BMW sell more cars.
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Volvo stopped making their best car. My last car, a V60 T5. I ran it from new for 3 years. Extremely comfortable and capable, and in my eyes an extremely attractive design.
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Volvo is for people who don't start sentences with so I was...Great design outdated tech but good cars/suvs overall. Problem wise I had allot less repairs in my p2 R compared to e90 and f10. New ones under new ownership can't say but they don't look like clickbait 💩
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We're calling BMW's reliable now? This is a company that had no clue how to make a water pump.
One the few traditions that BMW is holding on to and people have to go and complain?!

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These are ways Chinese are trying to get into the western car markets since generally their organic brands are either not as good or are tainted simply for being Chinese.
Pretty much this. There was a kerfuffle several years back (maybe more?) when GM was entertaining selling Opel to a Chinese company.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if they eventually start coercing or over taking the leadership of their investments and "circle of friends".
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