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      04-26-2022, 01:37 PM   #353
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Chinese demands in general are more gadgets and comfort for the back seat, because in Asia, that's where 7 owners usually sit. That's why there is a long wheelbase 3 series in China.

Nothing to do with how the front is designed, how the Hofmeister kink looks. That's just some westerners being racist, thinking their tastes are superior to chinese tastes.
Please stop with calling people racist. It makes you sound like a moron. People throw that word around now a days like they're addicted to it. Weak. Gross. Grow up.
Technically there is no issue on an anonymous forum on the internet of him calling you a racist and you calling him weak/gross.

With the stark divide in Western societies along the front lines of snowflakes versus ignorants it is the #1 thing on everybody's mind. Very appreciated that people let it out and create some conversation around it at least, even though a very disrespectful one to everybody. It is especially great considering that politicians & media outlets on both ends alike want exactly that not to happen.
It's a disgusting accusation made usually by disgusting people. Have at it if it makes your emotions feel better. Seems to me if people really cared about racism they wouldn't use the word as an attack on people they disagree with. They'd only use it when actual racism was on display. You know, to combat actual racism. Not opponents.

Also-no one called me racist. Maybe you will now because you don't like what I had to say here, thus further watering down the word. Congratulations I guess.
I'm not calling you anything. I am simply here to learn, observe, seek to understand. Well that's the secondary nature. The first one is obviously to talk about cars.

I have seen racism on this forum many times, as well as got myself engaged beyond comfort in the conversations. If I see something, I tend to say something. Sometimes too much, sometimes too little.

I can't really comment on the exact exchange here but I can say that I have read comments (not from you I believe) about the new 7 series that are to racism what smoke is to a gun.
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Thank you. +1. You're amazing for speaking up!

Get ready for the storm of a few folks on here starting to fight you on that - I've recently been through that on the X7 LCI thread where the cars are described as "squinty eyed cars for squinty eyed markets". This is then followed by people not affected by this explaining to the ones affected by it that they are just snowflakes. And that Bimmerpost isn't for snowflakes. Also, moderators on this forum don't exist.
No problem - like your example, if comments like "squinty eyed cars for squinty eyed markets" isn't racist, I don't know what is...

Not liking a design is perfectly fine. Not liking a design and attributing it to Chinese tastes is...you know what. They want to say the Chinese are tacky and showy, which is...you know what. Fact is, there are no more "showy" elements on a G70 than an S-Class, A8, etc..maybe someone can get out a measuring tool and measure the chrome or light reflection lol
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Thank you. +1. You're amazing for speaking up!

Get ready for the storm of a few folks on here starting to fight you on that - I've recently been through that on the X7 LCI thread where the cars are described as "squinty eyed cars for squinty eyed markets". This is then followed by people not affected by this explaining to the ones affected by it that they are just snowflakes. And that Bimmerpost isn't for snowflakes. Also, moderators on this forum don't exist.
No problem - like your example, if comments like "squinty eyed cars for squinty eyed markets" isn't racist, I don't know what is...

Not liking a design is perfectly fine. Not liking a design and attributing it to Chinese tastes is...you know what. They want to say the Chinese are tacky and showy, which is...you know what. Fact is, there are no more "showy" elements on a G70 than an S-Class, A8, etc..maybe someone can get out a measuring tool and measure the chrome or light reflection lol
The other day I heard someone say they preferred hamburgers to egg rolls. I immediately knew he was a racist.
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That particular two-tone color and dark wheels sure don't do the new 7 Series any favors.
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There an awful lot of hate here for the G70. Not on my part, though I likely won't get one until next year. My G12 lease is up end of October and I will likely buy it and order a new one for delivery in the Spring. With long trips in the schedule, an i7 does not make sense -- yet. But a 760 does appeal to me. I'm not thrilled with the grill but I don't look at the grill when I'm driving, and the rest of the car is a nice evolution from the G12.

Car designs are like car colors. Different strokes for different folks. If you hate the design, nobody is forcing you to buy and there is plenty of competition and I would be the last one to pass judgement on anyone. When the Bangle butt first arrived, it sent me to Mercedes for a few years, so I get it.
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Will we see a resurgence in 7 sales? Ever since the Bangle butt...it has been downhill
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Will we see a resurgence in 7 sales? Ever since the Bangle butt...it has been downhill
That's not a good comparison. This is US market - which has been defined by two major trends:
1. SUVs take the pie any day over sedans
2. Declining relative position compared to other markets

The Asian market is 3X those numbers here but also has the trend of SUVs. I'd be curious to see how sales are going there for 7 series and Sedan vs SUV. I'm somewhat certain it looks very different from this.

And that brings us back to the whole reason of which main consumer research is driving the development of individual models. As the head of design at BMW stated: The 7 series is developed with the Chinese consumer in mind and I would venture a guess it'll be *very* successful there.

I'm sure the US will continue to see declining sedan sales.
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The SUV craze has existed since the 00s though. Today the S-Class globally outsells the 7 3:1 globally CMIIW, can you find US numbers?
The last 7 to outsell the S-Class globally in any sales year is also the Bangle butt.

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From a quick glance, the 7 since Bangle has been generally curb stomped by the S-Class.

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As the head of design at BMW stated: The 7 series is developed with the Chinese consumer in mind and I would venture a guess it'll be *very* successful there.
Yes 40+ percent of 7s are sold in China, but --> https://www.best-selling-cars.com/br...ion-and-model/

"Deliveries of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class rose by 40% to 87,064 units, with sales in China accounting for 35.5% of global demand"

"Mercedes-Maybach sales increased to 15,730 units (+50.7%), boosted by China"

Anything luxury is really horded by the Chinese, not just 7s.
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The SUV craze has existed since the 00s though. Today the S-Class globally outsells the 7 3:1 globally CMIIW, can you find US numbers?
The last 7 to outsell the S-Class globally in any sales year is also the Bangle butt.

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From a quick glance, the 7 since Bangle has been generally curb stomped by the S-Class.
The S-Class was always a better seller.

While I am not a fan of the Bangle 7, it is to this day the best selling 7 series of all time, easily outselling my favorite the E38.
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The S-Class was always a better seller.

While I am not a fan of the Bangle 7, it is to this day the best selling 7 series of all time, easily outselling my favorite the E38.
If you look at the chart, though S class has always outseold the 7, the S class is in a decline versus 7 more recently.
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If you look at the chart, though S class has always outseold the 7, the S class is in a decline versus 7 more recently.
The chart is only until 2019.

The tables I included on previous posts say the 7 is getting mugged

March 2022
S Class sold 1734
7 sold 539

The ratio holds consistently globally. The 7 clearly needs to do something different - hello G70!
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The G11 it replaced was definitely a more competitive car. It had new technologies, an athletic build, a prestigious appearance. Now the technologies have decreased, a giant screen has been placed at the back, the car has become bulky. It will be easy bait for the S class.
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If you look at the chart, though S class has always outseold the 7, the S class is in a decline versus 7 more recently.
The S-Class recorded the strongest sales in its history in the first quarter of this year: 31,896 units.
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The G11 it replaced was definitely a more competitive car. It had new technologies, an athletic build, a prestigious appearance. Now the technologies have decreased, a giant screen has been placed at the back, the car has become bulky. It will be easy bait for the S class.
Technologies have decreased? What are you talking about? Technologies have increased significantly over G11, and G70 has more prestigious appearance in and out. S class and Maybach and Bentleys are all easy baits for G70.
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Technologies have decreased? What are you talking about? Technologies have increased significantly over G11, and G70 has more prestigious appearance in and out. S class and Maybach and Bentleys are all easy baits for G70.
You will need that Cortexiphan when the sales won't support your prediction.
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