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      01-17-2020, 07:07 AM   #353
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Just saying, my 330 has the M sport pack and the track package.. Does that mean that 330 is now the new M-Lite? I have enough badges to prove it!!!!

I say it harkens back to those days of the E30 M3. A good 4 cyl engine at the front, and a wonderful chassis to complement its usable, but not extreme power. A sublime utilitarian machine that manages to enhance the daily grudge of a daily driver into something a bit more special.

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I really think people are taking this off track. The argument is not if M cars are better than M performance cars. I am sure M performance cars are more than capable for most. Some (most) people just don't care about absolute performance.

Argument is if the M performance cars are M cars and they are Not!
Only ones taking this thread off the track are those that cant accept their egos being crushed because bmw has defined MPs and part of the M brand, which they have and hence they are, no matter how many hissyfits those that cant accept it take.

When you are the CEO of bmw, you can change it back, but since the only fact here to accept is that bmw has defined these vehicles as part of the M brand, thats all that really matters since they make decisions, not you nor I. I just simply accept it and you do not.
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Here come the ///M340i guys thinking they are real ///M's stay in the slow lane peasants
Some M* owners are just upset because their favorite badge car has been diluted a little bit. If these vocal M* owners (or fans) were truly focused on performance and quality, it wouldn't matter that the 340i badge now contains an "M". It doesn't change what the M2/3/4 offers.

The highly critical M* owners in this matter are sheeple in a wolf's sheet metal.
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I really think people are taking this off track. The argument is not if M cars are better than M performance cars. I am sure M performance cars are more than capable for most. Some (most) people just don't care about absolute performance.

Argument is if the M performance cars are M cars and they are Not!
Only ones taking this thread off the track are those that cant accept their egos being crushed because bmw has defined MPs and part of the M brand, which they have and hence they are, no matter how many hissyfits those that cant accept it take.

When you are the CEO of bmw, you can change it back, but since the only fact here to accept is that bmw has defined these vehicles as part of the M brand, thats all that really matters since they make decisions, not you nor I. I just simply accept it and you do not.
Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
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Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Facts??????? :

Are you the CEO of BMW in disguise???? 🤔

Or perhaps Stefan Quandt trolling us all???

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word FACT???

The only FACT is that BMW has decided that MPs are part of the M lineup.PERIOD. That is the only true statement, hence the only FACT.

I dont need to believe anything further as its their brand, their vehicles and they set the rules.

Those are the FACTs.

Please people, get over it!

It affects your life NOTHING by their decision unless you are a poseur and look down on others because you think you are special. You are not. Nor am I.

It is 100% about egos and some people are crushed that their brother would have an MP car from the M lineup as if it affects your enjoyment.

Thats whats amazing.
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      01-17-2020, 07:50 AM   #358
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As Jeremy Clarkson said about the e92 335i.....'all you are saying is that you can't afford an M3'. True then, true today.

BMW continue to cheapen the ///M badge, a race to the bottom.
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Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Facts??????? :

Are you the CEO of BMW in disguise???? 🤔

Or perhaps Stefan Quandt trolling us all???

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word FACT???

The only FACT is that BMW has decided that MPs are part of the M lineup.PERIOD. That is the only true statement, hence the only FACT.

I dont need to believe anything further as its their brand, their vehicles and they set the rules.

Those are the FACTs.

Please people, get over it!

It affects your life NOTHING by their decision unless you are a poseur and look down on others because you think you are special. You are not. Nor am I.

It is 100% about egos and some people are crushed that their brother would have an MP car from the M lineup as if it affects your enjoyment.

Thats whats amazing.
Bro. Calm the F down. Facts are facts. M performance cars are not M cars. Fact. Go read up on it, enlighten yourself.

Oh now I get why you're getting so worked up. You bought an M performance model thinking it was an M car. 😀😀😀😂😂😂
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...And likewise, M road cars are not M race cars, so 'real M' cars aren't the ultimate M experience either. Fact. Chill, guys 🍹

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Amazing the amount of funny M ignorants on this thread😱
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Oh now I get why you're getting so worked up. You bought an M performance model thinking it was an M car. 😀😀😀😂😂😂
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...And likewise, M road cars are not M race cars. Fact. Chill, guys 🍹
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I really think people are taking this off track. The argument is not if M cars are better than M performance cars. I am sure M performance cars are more than capable for most. Some (most) people just don't care about absolute performance.

Argument is if the M performance cars are M cars and they are Not!
Only ones taking this thread off the track are those that cant accept their egos being crushed because bmw has defined MPs and part of the M brand, which they have and hence they are, no matter how many hissyfits those that cant accept it take.

When you are the CEO of bmw, you can change it back, but since the only fact here to accept is that bmw has defined these vehicles as part of the M brand, thats all that really matters since they make decisions, not you nor I. I just simply accept it and you do not.
Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Amazing also how many tie up their inflated egos to a piece of inanimate metal!
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they've already diluted the M brand anyway.

first it was turbos
then awd SUVs
Then M cars without an S motor (M2)
then no manual option (M5, M3cs)
now you dont even get a DCT option

honestly wouldn't be suprised if they come out with an M2 convertible or X7M in a few years.
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As Jeremy Clarkson said about the e92 335i.....'all you are saying is that you can't afford an M3'. True then, true today.

BMW continue to cheapen the ///M badge, a race to the bottom.
I miss Jeremy Clarkson. In regard to your assertion though, one argument that comes up a lot is that a well optioned G20 M340i costs too close to a base F80/82. That challenges the point you're trying to make.

If we decide to ignore that inconvenient counter point though, and further apply your logic, we can also conclude that a BMW M* driver simply can't afford a real luxury sports car like a Porsche.
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Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Facts??????? :

Are you the CEO of BMW in disguise???? 🤔

Or perhaps Stefan Quandt trolling us all???

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word FACT???

The only FACT is that BMW has decided that MPs are part of the M lineup.PERIOD. That is the only true statement, hence the only FACT.

I dont need to believe anything further as its their brand, their vehicles and they set the rules.

Those are the FACTs.

Please people, get over it!

It affects your life NOTHING by their decision unless you are a poseur and look down on others because you think you are special. You are not. Nor am I.

It is 100% about egos and some people are crushed that their brother would have an MP car from the M lineup as if it affects your enjoyment.

Thats whats amazing.
Bro. Calm the F down. Facts are facts. M performance cars are not M cars. Fact. Go read up on it, enlighten yourself.

Oh now I get why you're getting so worked up. You bought an M performance model thinking it was an M car. 😀😀😀😂😂😂
The M-posers are now here in full force! They're just getting emotional because the M340i is newer, faster, and more technologically advanced than their F8*.

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I like it. Brings back nice memories of the E28 M535i. Tight ratio Getrag 5 speed box, suspension upgrades etc.
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Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Facts??????? :

Are you the CEO of BMW in disguise???? 🤔

Or perhaps Stefan Quandt trolling us all???

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word FACT???

The only FACT is that BMW has decided that MPs are part of the M lineup.PERIOD. That is the only true statement, hence the only FACT.

I dont need to believe anything further as its their brand, their vehicles and they set the rules.

Those are the FACTs.

Please people, get over it!

It affects your life NOTHING by their decision unless you are a poseur and look down on others because you think you are special. You are not. Nor am I.

It is 100% about egos and some people are crushed that their brother would have an MP car from the M lineup as if it affects your enjoyment.

Thats whats amazing.
Bro. Calm the F down. Facts are facts. M performance cars are not M cars. Fact. Go read up on it, enlighten yourself.

Oh now I get why you're getting so worked up. You bought an M performance model thinking it was an M car. 😀😀😀😂😂😂
The M-posers are now here in full force! They're just getting emotional because the M340i is newer, faster, and more technologically advanced than their F8*.

Sheeple in wolf's sheet metal.
Funny thing is that I currently don't own any M cars. Joke is on you. Lmao
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Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Facts??????? :

Are you the CEO of BMW in disguise???? 🤔

Or perhaps Stefan Quandt trolling us all???

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word FACT???

The only FACT is that BMW has decided that MPs are part of the M lineup.PERIOD. That is the only true statement, hence the only FACT.

I dont need to believe anything further as its their brand, their vehicles and they set the rules.

Those are the FACTs.

Please people, get over it!

It affects your life NOTHING by their decision unless you are a poseur and look down on others because you think you are special. You are not. Nor am I.

It is 100% about egos and some people are crushed that their brother would have an MP car from the M lineup as if it affects your enjoyment.

Thats whats amazing.
Bro. Calm the F down. Facts are facts. M performance cars are not M cars. Fact. Go read up on it, enlighten yourself.

Oh now I get why you're getting so worked up. You bought an M performance model thinking it was an M car. 😀😀😀😂😂😂
The M-posers are now here in full force! They're just getting emotional because the M340i is newer, faster, and more technologically advanced than their F8*.

Sheeple in wolf's sheet metal.
Funny thing is that I currently don't own any M cars. Joke is on you. Lmao
It doesn't matter. You still got up onto your soap box. Baa Baa. Now go grow me a new sweater already.
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As Jeremy Clarkson said about the e92 335i.....'all you are saying is that you can't afford an M3'. True then, true today.

BMW continue to cheapen the ///M badge, a race to the bottom.
I miss Jeremy Clarkson. In regard to your assertion though, one argument that comes up a lot is that a well optioned G20 M340i costs too close to a base F80/82. That challenges the point you're trying to make.

If we decide to ignore that inconvenient counter point though, and further apply your logic, we can also conclude that a BMW M* driver simply can't afford a real luxury sports car like a Porsche.
Ouch, now that's how to throw a subliminal burn

I'm pretty sure most M owners bought a BMW because they couldn't afford a Porsche.. #Facts

I know that's my reason and I have no shame or convictions about saying so because I keeps it real.

If I could of swing it, a BMW M would be perceived as Honda Si to me and that Twin-Turbo, 6-speed 911 with the dark brown lamb-wool carpeting would be in my driveway..
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As Jeremy Clarkson said about the e92 335i.....'all you are saying is that you can't afford an M3'. True then, true today.

BMW continue to cheapen the ///M badge, a race to the bottom.
I miss Jeremy Clarkson. In regard to your assertion though, one argument that comes up a lot is that a well optioned G20 M340i costs too close to a base F80/82. That challenges the point you're trying to make.

If we decide to ignore that inconvenient counter point though, and further apply your logic, we can also conclude that a BMW M* driver simply can't afford a real luxury sports car like a Porsche.
Bada-Boom!!!

Excellent response Fuller!
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Or the ones that truly believe M performance is an M car. Bmw M and AMG still separate the models in verbiage even though the line is starting to get blurred when it comes to marketing. But you do realize that even though they are making these changes due to marketing, there's clear distinct differences between the M models and M performance.

It's not about egos. It's about facts. It's amazing how so many these days dismiss facts.... Amazing!
Facts??????? :

Are you the CEO of BMW in disguise???? 🤔

Or perhaps Stefan Quandt trolling us all???

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the word FACT???

The only FACT is that BMW has decided that MPs are part of the M lineup.PERIOD. That is the only true statement, hence the only FACT.

I dont need to believe anything further as its their brand, their vehicles and they set the rules.

Those are the FACTs.

Please people, get over it!

It affects your life NOTHING by their decision unless you are a poseur and look down on others because you think you are special. You are not. Nor am I.

It is 100% about egos and some people are crushed that their brother would have an MP car from the M lineup as if it affects your enjoyment.

Thats whats amazing.
Bro. Calm the F down. Facts are facts. M performance cars are not M cars. Fact. Go read up on it, enlighten yourself.

Oh now I get why you're getting so worked up. You bought an M performance model thinking it was an M car. 😀😀😀😂😂😂
The M-posers are now here in full force! They're just getting emotional because the M340i is newer, faster, and more technologically advanced than their F8*.

Sheeple in wolf's sheet metal.
Funny thing is that I currently don't own any M cars. Joke is on you. Lmao
It doesn't matter. You still got up onto your soap box. Baa Baa. Now go grow me a new sweater already.
Soapbox? Yet you keep responding to my posts.....
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