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      07-12-2019, 08:36 PM   #23
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99.9% of peer reviewed scientists disagree. There is always a small percentage that will disagree with mainstream.

I have studied it since 1981. I have done the math. Like i said before the odds of having the 20 hottest global years in the last 25 years is like one out of a billion.

But I have also said its gone to far to change. I'm also pragmatic. The science is interesting.
Do we know if it was globally hotter for a stretch of say 50 yrs in for example the 1450s?
If that data isn't available how can we assume we have had the :
20 hottest global years in the last 25 years is like one out of a billion.


I'm not a climate change conspiracy nut
I'd just like more data before making an informed decision either way


What was the global temperature in the 11th century ? The 2nd century
500BC? Etc you get the point
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99.9% of peer reviewed scientists disagree. There is always a small percentage that will disagree with mainstream.

I have studied it since 1981. I have done the math. Like i said before the odds of having the 20 hottest global years in the last 25 years is like one out of a billion.

But I have also said its gone to far to change. I'm also pragmatic. The science is interesting.
I've been studying it since the 70s and it's political BS. All of it.
yes, back in the 70s. before James Hansen was warning us about "global" warming he was warning us about "global" cooling. sadly, no one in academia could figure out how to monetize cooling.
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99.9% of peer reviewed scientists disagree. There is always a small percentage that will disagree with mainstream.

I have studied it since 1981. I have done the math. Like i said before the odds of having the 20 hottest global years in the last 25 years is like one out of a billion.

But I have also said its gone to far to change. I'm also pragmatic. The science is interesting.
Not sure you can trust any of those so called studies as all were done under the rule of this or that administration pulling the ropes of the purse... A little like the China Experiment... But with much more money at stakes for the Al Gore and the likes...
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I've been studying it since the 70s and it's political BS. All of it.
Well that is an enlightening statement..thanks.


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Although I am not a climate scientist and am only stating my opinion, I do understand data collection, analytics and sampling. We have only a sliver of data compared to the life of the planet.
I could expound on your conclusions but we both know that would go no where.
You are automatically ruling out than man is the cause when you are not looking at well documented knowledge of global climate and not comparing to what is occurring in the last 150 years.

But as you said you are not a climate scientist. If you understood data collecting you would know that data collecting involves "how" and "under what conditions it is collected" used and compared to form conclusions.
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Horseface loony tune AOC says we have less than 12 years to save the planet and you folks are arguing semantics? Shame on all of you, we're all gonna diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie.
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Although I am not a climate scientist and am only stating my opinion, I do understand data collection, analytics and sampling. We have only a sliver of data compared to the life of the planet. The samples we take are only comparative to the past few decades and the conditions under which temperature samples are gained are in a variety of locations such as high altitudes, cement roofs or lots, fields etc. Many of these sensors are fairly new and sensors used from letís say a hundred years ago no longer exist and have been replaced and put in a new location. Itís very difficult to provide comparative and controlled statistical analysis. And thatís merely to measure the temperature. Then thereís determining the cause of temperature or weather changes. Is it sun spots or lack there of, minute changes in our rotation relative to the sun, changing weather patterns, pollution, carbon, earth core temperature variations? I donít know. Putting all those variables and considerations together make it seem nearly impossible to prove a single cause to climate change or that eliminating one factor will have a measurable impact on climate.
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Horseface loony tune AOC says we have less than 12 years to save the planet and you folks are arguing semantics? Shame on all of you, we're all gonna diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie.
This story just recently broke. AOC and her chief of staff pretty much concocted the 12 years were all going to die chicken little mantra! To only facilitate their socialist agenda.
Just as the “scientific” community has its own agendas and it isn’t global warming is real science, as you already know.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...limate-change/
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99.9% of peer reviewed scientists disagree. There is always a small percentage that will disagree with mainstream.

I have studied it since 1981. I have done the math. Like i said before the odds of having the 20 hottest global years in the last 25 years is like one out of a billion.

But I have also said its gone to far to change. I'm also pragmatic. The science is interesting.
Do we know if it was globally hotter for a stretch of say 50 yrs in for example the 1450s?
If that data isn't available how can we assume we have had the :
20 hottest global years in the last 25 years is like one out of a billion.


I'm not a climate change conspiracy nut
I'd just like more data before making an informed decision either way


What was the global temperature in the 11th century ? The 2nd century
500BC? Etc you get the point
not to worry pikk, the pesky Medieval Warm Period and the annoying Roman Climate Optimum were both declared not-to-have-happened by Michael Mann. we know this is so because neither event appears on Prof. Mann's famous Hockey Stick Graph....that's the graph repeatedly referred to in Al Gore's slide show, and also the one the IPCC relied on for its Summary For Policy Makers.
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if i may be permitted to quote myself (in an aol chat room a decade ago):

"...if you STILL believe in anthropogenic "global" warming and you're not an employee of the Indian Government, not a lobbyist for ADM, and not involved in hustling grants for your University, you're a moron."
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This story just recently broke. AOC and her chief of staff pretty much concocted the 12 years were all going to die chicken little mantra! To only facilitate their socialist agenda.
Just as the ďscientificĒ community has its own agendas and it isnít global warming is real science, as you already know.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...limate-change/
It's unbelievable isn't it? We've been saying for years the man made climate bullshit had nothing to do with "saving the planet", and everything to do with completely restructuring our economic system and way of life. I absolutely hate these people.
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It's unbelievable isn't it? We've been saying for years the man made climate bullshit had nothing to do with "saving the planet", and everything to do with completely restructuring our economic system and way of life. I absolutely hate these people.
Sure is, grants are given to ‘research’ the theory and regardless what the science actually proves they come up with conclusions which guarantees more free funds for their future, global warming.
Not to mention all the cold hard cash coming from the likes of Soros and other billionaires trying to coerce their socialist agenda. A double barreled Catch 22 and the left just gobbles it up hook, line, sinker.
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Well that is an enlightening statement..thanks.



I could expound on your conclusions but we both know that would go no where.
You are automatically ruling out than man is the cause when you are not looking at well documented knowledge of global climate and not comparing to what is occurring in the last 150 years.

But as you said you are not a climate scientist. If you understood data collecting you would know that data collecting involves "how" and "under what conditions it is collected" used and compared to form conclusions.
I am saying there is more to the history of earth than 150 years. Also, if you think the process and accuracy of measuring temperature values have not changed in that time, then I donít know how else to explain it to you. And I am not saying man has not contributed to climate change, that would be ignorant.

What I am saying is that you cannot prove to me how much climate has changed solely from man made actions especially only by using 150 years worth of data when man has been around longer than that time and the Earth has existed far longer than man.
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Sure is, grants are given to Ďresearchí the theory and regardless what the science actually proves they come up with conclusions which guarantees more free funds for their future, global warming.
Not to mention all the cold hard cash coming from the likes of Soros and other billionaires trying to coerce their socialist agenda. A double barreled Catch 22 and the left just gobbles it up hook, line, sinker.
People who want to complete degrees shop sponsors to fund the completion of their research so they can complete a PhD. They peddle a hypothesis that a company or special interest group will pay for. For example, you find doctoral candidates who will write papers sponsored by agricultural companies to provide data that altered seeds are perfectly safe. And it goes in the other direction too. Thatís why research is just like main stream media.
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I am saying there is more to the history of earth than 150 years. Also, if you think the process and accuracy of measuring temperature values have not changed in that time, then I donít know how else to explain it to you. And I am not saying man has not contributed to climate change, that would be ignorant.

What I am saying is that you cannot prove to me how much climate has changed solely from man made actions especially only by using 150 years worth of data when man has been around longer than that time and the Earth has existed far longer than man.
This has been my contention from the beginning.
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What I am saying is that you cannot prove to me how much climate has changed solely from man made actions especially only by using 150 years worth of data when man has been around longer than that time and the Earth has existed far longer than man.
Its easily proven by the Ratios of Carbon13/Carbon12 ration over the last 10,000 years.

These comments are so simplistic I'll just stop now. Like I said..no one on JoeSixPack boards are reall yinterested in learning. If they were the information is readily available.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ities-updated/
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What I am saying is that you cannot prove to me how much climate has changed solely from man made actions especially only by using 150 years worth of data when man has been around longer than that time and the Earth has existed far longer than man.
Its easily proven by the Ratios of Carbon13/Carbon12 ration over the last 10,000 years.

These comments are so simplistic I'll just stop now. Like I said..no one on JoeSixPack boards are reall yinterested in learning. If they were the information is readily available.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ities-updated/
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Its easily proven by the Ratios of Carbon13/Carbon12 ration over the last 10,000 years.

These comments are so simplistic I'll just stop now. Like I said..no one on JoeSixPack boards are reall yinterested in learning. If they were the information is readily available.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ities-updated/
This is not exactly the same.
you still have to prove the relationship between CO2 concentrations in the air and climate change.
And that is much harder.
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This is not exactly the same.
you still have to prove the relationship between CO2 concentrations in the air and climate change.
And that is much harder.
As I said you are really not interested to learn. It involves a bit of quantum mechanics as it relates to diatomic and monatomic gases.. lol..I said I was done...its just too amusing
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As I said you are really not interested to learn. It involves a bit of quantum mechanics as it relates to diatomic and monatomic gases.. lol..I said I was done...its just too amusing
There you go. If it is so complicated no simple person can understand it, as you have pointed out I am, and you are incapable of explaining it, you have a severe marketing problem.
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Its easily proven by the Ratios of Carbon13/Carbon12 ration over the last 10,000 years.

These comments are so simplistic I'll just stop now. Like I said..no one on JoeSixPack boards are reall yinterested in learning. If they were the information is readily available.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ities-updated/
Percentage of the earth's life that you have extrapolated data: 10,000/4,500,000=0.22%

In my industry if you attempted to publish and gain approval with this data you'd get arrested.

Anthropogenic Climate Change is as much of a hoax as Russian Collusion.

You keep being you.

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